Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K vs a RED

Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K vs a RED


(Potato Jet yawning) – Sorry, good morning. It is way too early. Sun has yet to come up. Red Digital Cinema camera versus the Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K. I don’t even know if I said that right. It’s such a long name. So today’s a pretty unique day. So I’m actually gonna take
one of these two cameras out, get some footage with it
and show it to you guys. You guys try to figure
out which camera it is. But today is day one of
the LAUSD teacher strike. And as some of you may know, my girlfriend Carrie is a
teacher here in Los Angeles. And it’s a pretty massive deal because there’s gonna
be, like, 35,000 teachers and educators that aren’t
gonna show up to work today. So, you know, it’s a
complicated situation. And unlike Jake Paul I do believe that teachers
have a very important role on this planet and our future. But Jake does have a point though, it would be pretty awesome if all teachers taught
us how to buy Lambo cash. I don’t think we could
invest enough in education and just making the general
public smarter a little bit. So I’m gonna take one of
these mystery cameras with me. And let’s go. (moody rock music) And we’re back. Why don’t we just start
this off with a quick poll. Tell me which camera
you guys think that was. Was it the Black Magic or was it the Red? So I’m gonna set this camera
up to record this camera and let’s start looking
at some side by sides. And the first thing I’m noticing is the difference in color
tones right off the bat and they are both set to 5600
white balance with zero tint. So with the same exact settings they’re already starting to
look a little bit different but let’s get out of this studio and see how they both
compare in the real world. Let’s go. You had enough fun playing in the mud? You look filthy, you need a shower. We were trying so hard to
keep him away from the mud. The one muddy spot. They just ran straight towards it. Look at them they’re
just laying in it now. That’s not even an appropriate
way to lay down for a dog they’re just doin’ that to
just get as muddy as possible. That butt has to come in the car with us. Alright, so now that my Jeep
is properly drenched in mud let’s take a look at some
of these side by side shots. Now let’s state the obvious. The green from the Red is super saturated compared to the Black Magic. The Black Magic looks a
little bit more mellow and a little more to the
warmer yellowish side when we’re looking at the green. But considering all the
settings are matched it’s crazy how different the grass looks. And I would actually say the Red looks a little bit more accurate. ‘Cause this is after like
six days of non stop rain. And it’s is the greenest
I’ve ever seen Los Angeles. When we got there I was like, holy crap this looks like
the Windows 97 wallpaper. Here’s the shot of Carrie
getting hit by direct sunlight. But this is the default look
out of both cameras right now. We are gonna circle back and try color grading these manually. And here’s one more shot where I was trying to talk the camera but I didn’t make any sense so I’m just gonna mute the
audio and voice over it. But you could see the sensor
size difference here for sure. They’re both on the same f-stop but the background’s a little
but blurrier on the Red. But to be honest, the difference between the sensor size here, Super 35 and Micro Four Thirds, it’s not as drastic as
I thought it would be in terms of depth of field. And now we got Pita in the studio. And that’s one of the beauties
of studio lighting is that pretty much all cameras
look good in the studio but we can kinda pick up
some minute differences here. The shadows definitely come across a little bit more contrasty on the Red which is something that
Red’s been known for. It kind of gives it that moody look. And yeah, there’s Pita
being a supermodel as usual. She’s a great model by the way. All the other dogs, I point a camera at them and they’re like, “Get that
(beeping over speech) “away from my face.” But Pita loves that attention so that’s why she’s the superstar here. Luckily she’s a dog so
I don’t have to pay her. When it comes to super slow mo, the Red obviously has a lot
more horsepower behind it. And the Black Magic caps out
at 120 frames per second in HD. And the Black Magic’s crop is pretty big. So, it’s not perfect
but it’s nice to have. The Red can do 120 frames
per second pretty easily without much of a crop but once you bump it up to like 240, then you’re dealing with a serious crop. Alright, so here’s a quick
tour of our setup here. We got our Red mounted on the tripod and then we have the Black Magic here. We got our main mount holding it here and then two other extra arms just to make sure it doesn’t just fall off ’cause that would be kinda sad I guess. They’re both running on Xeen lenses. But since that has a bigger sensor we have a 35 millimeter on there and we have a 24 millimeter on this side. And with those focal lengths they tend to match very closely. So that’s our monstrous setup that I’ve been lugging around everywhere. It’s been a pain, I’m
never gonna do this again. Of course, that is until my
views start dropping again and then I’m like, okay I’ll
do another comparison video. And with this side by side the first thing I’m noticing
is that the Red itself, it has a few different
color profiles and gammas and they all generally look really good just right out of the camera. So a lot of times I feel like it’s usable but generally I just do
slight, slight tweaks. The Black Magic on the other hand gives you three shooting modes to film on. It gives you film which
is it’s flattest profile, extended video and video. I’m not a fan of the video
and extended video looks that you could bake on the camera. I would always 100% of the
time shoot on the film profile. And then you could just drop
in the light if you want. So I’m gonna set both of these cameras to kind of it’s flattest looks and let’s shoot this scene real quick where Carrie’s working on a, what is that a cabinet a dresser? – I got this one for free
too off the side of the road. – Free furniture for the win. – We can’t afford nice furniture because you spend all
our money on camera gear. – She’s standing in a dark pocket and we have curtains behind her and then outside we have
super bright windows. So pretty, an intense dynamic
range needed for this scene. After playing with the footage the Red definitely has
more usable dynamic range, it clocks in at 16.5 stops opposed to the Black
Magic which claims 13. But dynamic range is one of those things that could be measured in different ways. And people’s opinion on what’s usable dynamic range can vary. But the BLack Magic holy crap
for a $1,300 dollar camera I can’t think of any other
camera in this price range that you can grade this heavily and
have it still look this nice. So I’m impressed. Now by default the Black Magic does apply a magenta tint when you put it in the
daylight white balance so I thought that might
be countering the green but I took off the tint and still the green just looks so much more vibrant on the Red. But I do know that the green spectrum is one of the more complicated colors for a camera sensor to see. I remember when Canon released the c300 the engineers were
putting a lot of emphasis on getting the green colors correctly because our eyes see that
green spectrum the most. But as we get into low
light territory at 6400 ISO, the Black Magic is surprisingly cleaner and has less noise than the Red. And as we step into the super
low light territory, 12,800 the Black Magic definitely
out performs the Red. But keep in mind the
Red does have the Gemini which is supposed to be a low light king. Which I do not have. Alright so you guys are familiar with my traditional 80d setup. And here’s how it would look if I were to switch to the
Red and the Black Magic. I don’t know should I shoot all my videos on one of these cameras? I don’t know. That’d be a lot of data to
manage but could be really cool. Putting the Black Magic up to the Red I definitely feel like
the Red is easier to grade just right off the bat. It could be because I’m so used to color grading Red footage. With the proper settings and lighting you can really just get the
Red to look really amazing just right out of the camera. Black magic I felt like was a
little bit more work to grade but luckily the Black Magic has a nice strong codec in there. So you really can grade it pretty heavily. So if you’re shooting a
project on the Black Magic I would definitely intend there
to be a little bit more time in post production for color grade. So keep that in mind. Alright so let’s circle
back to that intro sequence with the teacher strike. And this was shot on the Black Magic. I did attach a speed booster to it to make it look a little bit more like Super 35 opposed
to Micro Four Thirds. And I used a Canon 16 to 35 f2.8 and also the Canon 100 millimeter L series with image stabilization. I didn’t spend a ton of
time color grading this probably about 15 to 20 minutes. And within that time I wasn’t
able to get it to the spot where I’m like, oh this is perfect. But regardless I thought
it was pretty decent. And sometimes these
rallies in Downtown L.A. can turn more into like
riots and people get crazy. So I really did not
want to bring my Red out on this pouring rainy day. With the Black Magic I was able to keep it under
my jacket for the most part. And literally shoot on it while holding the
umbrella at the same time which is not something
I could say for the Red. So yeah, even though I’m
pretty confident that the Red footage would
have came out looking a little bit better, it’s still great to have this
Black Magic Pocket Camera as another option. Alright so let’s sum
this up by talking about the pros and cons of these cameras. Now the Black Magic Pocket
Cinema Camera 4K but (beeping over speech) that name. The most obvious pro for The Black Magic is the price point at
under $1,300 dollars. Oh my god. Any new cinema camera that
comes out in this price range really is gonna have this to compete with. So that is really setting
a new standard there. The Red on the other hand is
like 15 to $20,000 dollars just for the body but once
you start accessorizing it just to get it to work, you’re easily in the 20s,
30s, $40,000 dollar range. So really this is pretty
amazing that we’re comparing something that’s a fraction of the Red. And another obvious factor
is the size of this thing. I mean, this is closer
to the size of a DSLR than it is to a standard cinema camera. Putting a Red on a gimbal,
it’s pretty difficult. You really need one of the higher end Ronin or MoVI Pros. With some adapters you
could put this on a majority of handheld gimbals like the Ronin-S and many more out there. I’m also a pretty big
fan of the ergonomics and the placement of the buttons. It’s very, very simple. All the tools you need are
very quickly accessible. And it’s like if you
know how to use a DSLR you can pick up one of these
and start shooting right away. Before you go and shoot on a Red you definitely wanna get
yourself familiarized. Give yourself time to just understand the menu,
what everything means. Beside the record and
power on and off buttons everything else is done
touchscreen on the Red so you may or may not like that. But here it’s very simple. It’s a mixture of touchscreen as well as the easy access buttons here. So when it comes to the
menu and adjusting settings I actually prefer doing it on this body. Another benefit of this is it’s a Micro Four Thirds mount meaning you could adapt a
majority of lenses to it and also use speed boosters like I did. So if you already have
Micro Four Thirds lenses then that can just pop
it on just like that. You can attach cinema lenses to it. You can attach Canon
lenses to it, whatever. And on the Red you
generally have the option between an EF or PL. And of course as Black Magic had better low light performance than this Dragon sensor I can’t say how it’d perform
against the Gemini sensor but for this Dragon sensor way more noise than the Black Magic. Obviously designed for one person to hold. You get all your controls. It has phantom power so you can send that over to a microphone. And last but not least,
let’s turn them both on and see how long it takes to
start recording on each camera. So boom. Is it recording? There we go, that was fast. This camera can be turned on and start recording in seconds. Now we just gotta wait
for this Red to turn on. There boom, now it’s ready to record. Now if you’re in a professional set that’s not much of an issue because you usually turn it
on at the beginning of the day and only really power it down
for long breaks, like lunch or if you’re gonna swap out that battery. But if you were like me in downtown and just walking around and you’re just waiting for
something interesting to happen you could start recording within seconds which is pretty significant because this thing, if you
don’t have the camera on and something’s happening in front of you, by the time this thing turns on it’s done. Alright so let’s talk about this Red now. Now I think the biggest
draw to a Red camera is the image it produces. It’s very cinematic
right out of the camera. And this is more my own opinion on it but I felt like the Red
just looked very filmic opposed to the Black Magic which felt like a very
good sharp video camera. So they’re both good, nice and sharp but the feeling that you get
out of the images from the Red, it just, love it. Another obvious factor is
it’s just designed more for professional use and
professional workflows, has an SDI port which
the Black Magic does not. And then looking at the screen here I have mine on an arm right here just so I get like ultimate flexibility but most people take this and mount it straight on the camera and it
still articulates up and down. So even just having that
up and down movement makes a huge difference. And it really is a big bummer that this screen on the
back a here does not move even an inch in any direction. It also has a nicer, bigger sensor and more overall horsepower. What I mean by that is, faster frame rates you get 5K, you get RAW recording, everything a professional workflow wants the Red can provide so that’s really nice. And right now I know I
have this cable on here for this monitor but it’s generally designed
so you could bolt everything straight onto the camera body and you can literally
go completely cableless and operate it which is awesome. Technically this doesn’t have any cables hanging off it right now but if you want this to
have decent battery life, you’re gonna wanna patch
in some power there. And you’re definitely gonna
wanna run a HDMI cable if you’re gonna do any unique angles so you can kinda look at it
from above here or up here. So generally speaking this
is gonna get a little bit more cumbersome once you start
adding some accessories to it which brings me to my
next point which is that these are really designed to
work with crews and teams. So generally you have your operator and then you have someone pulling focus and someone building the camera out and setting up the lenses. So you could really build
these things out huge with matte boxes, huge lenses, cine tape, follow focus units, everything. And yeah sure, you could
technically rig out any sort of camera once
you put a cage on it but anyone that’s ever
tried to take a DSLR and put a dozen accessories on it knows that is just not as solid. Like I mean this cage has a
1/4 inch thread on the top 1/4 inch on the bottom and two pins that kinda
hold it in the side but even with that there’s still
always a little bit of play and I’ve experienced this with pretty much any rig for like a DSLR. I used to take my T2i and
try to rig it out like crazy. And at a point it just
starts becoming a pain because nothing’s super sturdy. You know smaller cameras you pick it up at a weird angle and the follow focus
doesn’t engage the teeth, monitors start flipping
all over the place, it becomes hard to reach certain things. Opposed to this camera where look how many
mounting points there are all over the camera. You can take this thing all rigged up and shake it all around
and it’s gonna be fine. This is fantastic for working with a crew in a production environment. So basically we own both these cameras and they’re both great cameras. If we have a crew and
we have the resources I would always rather shoot on the Red just because of that cinematic image that it just produces very simply. And the better dynamic range and REDCODE. It’s not a massive,
crazy file to work with. It’s nice and easy, assuming you have a
pretty powerful computer. But I edit 5K RAW off
my laptop all the time. So even though I have this Black Magic I’m probably still gonna be shooting with this Red more often. But of course there’s
gonna be certain project where this Black Magic
is just nice and simple and small and exactly what we need. And of course this does take more time at least in my experience to color grade. So that is something to keep in mind because time with the colors
can be very expensive too. So I do love both cameras but I also have some complaints. Neither of these have built in ND filters so you know we’re gonna have to slap all those ND filters up front. And finally they’ve
both been known to have reliability issues, which sucks. I’ve had to send both of these cameras back to the manufacturers
for defective products. That’s my take on the cameras but you guys saw the side by side. So you guys make up your own mind. Let’s wrap this up by
reading some comments from my last video which was all about what
cameras were used to film all the Oscar nominations for this year. And I also asked you guys what you guys think about
having Alex on the show here. So, hey Alex. Andie the Lab said, “Alex
if you don’t come back “Potato Jet is gonna dress
up like the kid from UP “and throw ladders at you.” So be careful. – The kid from Up.
(Potato Jet laughing) Hold on. Yeah, I can see a resemblance. – No, don’t say that! “Alex if you don’t comeback to the channel “we are going to come over to your house “and throw ladders at you.” – I’m sensing a pattern
with the ladders here. – I happen to be a ladder collector. Fun fact for everybody. – Some people it’s stamps, others. – Ladders. “Alex, if you don’t come
and teach us about sound “we’ll fill your camera
mic input jack with lint.” – Wow you weren’t lying
about the hurtful thing, this is. – They’re, they’re intimidating. I’m tellin’ ya. You don’t wanna mess with these guys. – “Alex if you don’t come on the show “I will delete your Fortnite account.” – I already did that. You can’t touch me. – “If you don’t show up we
all will watch the first man.” Muted.
(Potato Jet gasping) (mellow chillwave music)

100 thoughts on “Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K vs a RED

  1. Hey potato, I’m pretty much re entering filming after a long hiatus and the only gear I really have access to is a couple old xl1s a gl1 and a jvc something or another. Basically only SD, so I have been looking at saving up for the black magic pocket to be able to relearn and actually make some nice video for my absolutely tiny budget. Should I try to upgrade to that or something else?

  2. The original BMPCC was already the best bang for buck camera, even with its shortcomings. The 4K model is to me, the new king. Hands-down best reasonably priced 4K camera on the market.

  3. Good video. I have a Scarlet and a GH5 and its the same story. Both crazy good and usable. Just depends on resources and the job.

  4. Hey man, any idea if or how you can run the BMPCC on a DC charge? I can't seem to find any info about this. Just extending with larger batteries and such. I want to use it in a studio setting and not have to worry about changing batteries. Thanks.

  5. Black Magic looks waaaay more pleasing to my eye. Tones, detail, shadows- all great.
    DoF looks a little better on the RED.

    Great video!

  6. A camera that cost at least $ 18000 is better than one that costs $ 1300? Wow! What a surprise! Let REAL FILMMAKERS talk about camera, lenses, and stuff and you come back to Twitch to play at Fortnite: that's the right place for you.

  7. So Black Magic did just release more Raw options which seem much better than DNG Raw. Not as universally accepted as REDCode as of now but we'll likely see updates on editing software.
    So Raw may now become the common setting for the BMPCC4k.

  8. Blackmagic already won this game when they released bmpcc….coz comparing such a cheap price camera to professional red and arri….is SOMETHING. We dont compare canon nikon or sony to red or arri…but BM changed the game man….no one cares about that 2-5% shadow and highlight shit…..as long as story and direction is strong…i have seen a man holding the revolver killing the man with a tank.

  9. trying to compare a 20k (to be fully operational) cam with a 1.3k on is a little bit stupid in all honesty.
    But I know a few people that can get better footage and make it look better with the BM than you with the red 😛
    so there is that

  10. The reason the Black Magic Pocket 4k has weird greens and magentas is because it doesn't have a built in IR cut filter like most cameras. Slap an IR cut filter and you see a big improvemnet on the color.

  11. I think this type of coverage is important in order to show how much value the cheaper cine cams are beginning to offer.

  12. It's much easier to get good colors out of the RED. But with a bit of knowledge, the BMPCC4K can shine. https://vimeo.com/316934177

  13. To be honest… In my opinion the blackmagic does look even better then the red in some shots. I do not like this saturated look of the green from the red

  14. I envy kids today.. I dont remember having a teacher half as pretty as Kari! That or maybe I just got dooped… All my teachers growing up where 45+ or were 2-3 years from retirement.. :'(… ANYWAY Back to the real comment. AWESOME Side by Side comparison!! Makes me love and dream of having a RED even more. One day….. One day….

  15. Hi, I was just wondering about the issue of the crop on the Bmpcc 4k when you film at 120 frames per second, if you used a wider lens would that solve the problem?

  16. Maybe the Redish colors are just IR polution i saw a comparation with IRND filters and the camara looks a lot better when needing ND

  17. Seemed like he had more contrast on the red then the bmcc. The bmcc wasn't even correct to near 0 ire for the blacks

  18. Since you like the RED more, I'll take your Blackmagic camera off your hands! On another note, I actually liked the look of the RED in dark lighting better than the Blackmagic. But the Blackmagic has a very nice quality to it too.

  19. What sensor is your RED?
    You mentioned it wasn't the Gemini and I'm here because I know my EPIC-X Dragon does the best low-light out of any camera I've owned, but not good enough, especially from what I've seen the BMPCC can do. Big fan of your content, thanks!

  20. BMPCC4K is the best camera I have ever seen.

    Keep dreaming about OSMO Pocket and OSMO Action, but didn't bought any of them. Because of this one over here!

  21. Only issue is you won't be able to use those handheld gimbals with one of those monstrous lenses on it, due to the size constraints when balancing.

  22. I used to lust for a RED. I'd still take one for free. But now I'd rather own a URSA Mini Pro 4.6K G2 and a BMPCC4K … which makes me realize that [sorry, but] this video should have compared all three cameras. Definitely!

  23. Im a loyal audience of all your video in this Chanel. I really hope that you can make a real movie (big screen movie) with the most cheapest budget with the good result sort of Hollywood did…

  24. Red looks superb in every way but it is heavy ass camera and i personaly would choose something like Nikon Z6 over those 2. Come on we are in 2019 who want to care focus puller?

  25. I wish RED would make a camera for us poor folk that looks cinematic. Freaking love the way RED cameras look but damn I can’t afford it.

  26. Hmm, I don't know. To me the Red's are overpriced and beginning to get long in the tooth. Same thing with the Arris, which require tons of additional gear. If BM ever comes up with a $10,000 camera with better specs than the Red and Arri, GAME OVER!!

  27. Well, I think the comparison makes sense only if you compare the material in Davinci Resolve. Obviously the colors and contrast are different. These are two different cameras. But I would prefer to look at the parade and picture in Davinci to see how it changes when it is graded. Sorry mate.))

  28. I honestly not a fan of the blackmagic colour, the magenta shift is pretty bad and pinks looked strange. Also looked washed out which was strange, could imagine it’s good if you have the time for editing but for me I need the option to shoot log and good straight out of camera colour for quick turnaround projects. Just my opinion

  29. "the red looked very filmic", "that cinematic image" check out Steve Yedlin's resolution and display prep videos.

  30. Are you going to review the BMPCC6K vs BMPCC4K? I noticed many online have a ton of viewpoints on the new camera & its limitations on codecs. Thx.

  31. To all viewers,
    What would you choose, If their could be a give out from potato jet between these two beast cinema camera??

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