Epson Pro Cinema 4040 vs Optoma UHD65 4K

Epson Pro Cinema 4040 vs Optoma UHD65 4K


The next projector we’re going to look at
is the Epson 4040, which will be on the left side of the screen. And we’ll be comparing that again, to the
Optoma, the new UHD65 – which is a true 4K projector using a single chip DLP and an RGB/RGB
color wheel – which is very important, that’s how it gets its amazing color. The Epson uses 3 chips that are transmissive,
meaning the light is going through each of those chips. Theoretically, most LCDs that are transmissive
are not able to get the same contrast and black levels. But let’s take a look and see how they’re
doing because this is Epson’s Pro Cinema, they have a few tricks up their sleeve. So after we calibrate them, by calibrate,
we’re going to do a simple calibration such as you can do at home, not using instruments. But, we’ll use a test pattern and we’ll set
the contrast level, so that we don’t clip any highlights. And we’ll set the blacks so that we’re not
crushing any blacks. Once we do that, we can compare color, we
can compare contrast, and then finally, we’ll compare detail. So we’ll see if the Epson 4K e-shift, how
close it can come to actual 4K. We’re now looking at the, the Epson Pro Cinema
4040 on the left. And on the right, we’re looking at the UHD65
– the Optoma. And here, we have just calibrated the pluge
patterns, so that we are not crushing blacks – and if you look carefully you should be
able to see the white square, or the light colored square in the top white box – which
means we, we will not be clipping any of our highlights. But at the same time we’re getting the maximum
contrast that’s capable out of this projector. I’m going to zoom in just a little bit to
make sure you can see those little squares there, but I think you can look carefully,
you should be able to see the first pluge bar and maybe the second one. With the eye, I can see them both, but of
course, the dynamic range of the camera under these circumstances, if I expose – well, here,
I can show you, if I expose so you can see the bars – you should see the first two. And we’re at the range of the camera, but
with the eye you can see the first two and then the third one you can just barely see. And as I bring that back down, now you can
see the little white square. But I have not adjusted – I have adjusted
the projectors in advance – so that they’re set, and I was just adjusting the iris on
the camera so you could we them where they are. Now we’re ready to check color and look at
some images. And here is our skin tone. The comparison between the Epson Pro Cinema
4040, and for those who are not aware, the 5040 is essentially the same thing but because
it’s not Pro Cinema it doesn’t have the warranty. It doesn’t have the extra lamp or the mount
with it. But essentially the performance is the same. So 5040/4040 very similar. And here you can see it on skin tones. We’ll zoom in just a little bit so you can
get a close look. Again, we’re not evaluating detail because
these are 1080p slides but in a minute we’ll be going to 4K to evaluate detail. As far as contrast, as far as color – both
are very good projectors. Amazingly close. Contrast is almost identical. Color – very, very close. I’d have to give Epson a slight edge in terms
of color. But, both, again, very good. So after our basic calibration, we put the
white balance close as we could to 65 with the settings that it provides out-of-the-box
– not getting into the calibration. And here are saturated colors – we’re going
to look at skin tone in just a minute which is I think, the most important test. But here you can see the colors are very good
on both of them. If you look at the rim on the cap, you’ll
see a little difference in the red. Blues are just a little bit different. The yellows definitely have a little more
saturation and deeper yellow. Greens are a little bit different as well. But overall, if you look at the color of the
mitt and the overall image – the orange in the bulldogs – it’s very, very close. I froze this image. This is a 4K image coming off the server,
because the Epson was no where near as bright. So I brought the Epson now to its brightest
mode so both the Epson on the left, which, if I measure this – I don’t know if you’ll
be able to read this – but we’re getting 21.6, 20.8, 21.4. And over here, if I get the shadow out of
the way, on the Epson, or excuse me, on the Optoma, you’re running 30, 29.5 – again, I’m
not sure you can see this but – if I get my shadow out of the way, it’s running 26, 27s
consistently peaks at 30. Over here, on the Epson, we’re about 24. And let me grab the remove so you can see
the settings. The Epson is, down here, I’ll highlight it
so you can see it a little bit better, but the power consumption is high. And if we do that over here on the Optoma,
and I’ll tell ya a little secret with the Optoma – took me a long time to figure out
where the, the lamp power is. But its under brightness mode, under advanced
display images – you have to go to a second menu. And now you can see it’s in the bright mode. so with both of these in the bright mode,
they are close. The Optoma actually has a slight advantage
of it in this mode. OK in this trailer, for After Earth, we have,
again, setup side-by-side. This’ll give you an idea, generally, of the
color and contrast performance. At this distance, with HD, you’re not going
to be able to see the detail difference. So this is more – just to let you see the
color, the contrast, and give you an idea. We’ll take a closer look at the actual detail
differences in a minute. But this a trailer from Sony, for After Earth,
it has a good range of high contrast scenes, bright lit scenes – very bright like that
one, and gives you a little bit of the idea of the range. Both of these are doing very, very good images. To the eye, the Optoma, because of the detail,
you’ll see in a minute is a slightly more refined, fine detail because it is true 4K. And when you’re feeding it 4K content that’s
full of detail as these scenes are, you’ll definitely see the difference between them. So one thing I’ll mention, so that we don’t
miss it, is the Epson, when it is in its high brightness mode, and the Optoma when it’s
in its high brightness mode, the Optoma definitely has the advantage of being quite a bit less
noisy, or having fan noise. When the Epson is in its middle or low mode,
it’s quite good but when it’s in its high mode it’s definitely something that you would
notice with three or four people in the room, with a large crowd you might not. What we’re looking at now is, I froze this
image because it has a lot of detail in it and we’re going to try and see the difference
between the 4K E, which is four million pixels more than the Epson on the left, and on the
Optoma, on the right, with its eight million pixels. So I’m going to slowly zoom in here. And if you look at, again, you’re looking
at, possibly HD over the internet, if you’re lucky, and so this might be very difficult
to see. But there is considerable difference in the
sharpness and details – almost like someone had focused and enhanced the image a little
bit on the right. I’ve reverse the image on the left, so again,
you can see the exact same thing. So I’m not sure how of this you can see, but
we’ll try. I don’t know the extent we can zoom in fairly
close here. And we’ll just make sure we’re in optimum
focus. So definitely, 4K E cannot equal what true
4K can do. It’s certainly better than HD, but it’s not
as good as true 4k. Evan back here, at viewing distance, between
these two projectors, it is noticeably sharper on the right, and more detailed. There’s very fine detail that we can see. I’m going to come back to – fact, what we’ll
do – I’m going to pan over here into these buildings and then I’m going to do the same
thing on the left. So hopefully – this is the Optoma UHD65. We’re zoomed in because we’re only shooting
this in HD. And so, hopefully going in that far – now
we’re going to rotate it over here to the same thing. And we’ll double check our focus to make sure
– but you should be able to see that difference. There is quite a difference in the sharpness
between this side and when we go over here onto the UHD side. This scene, is very good for testing the native,
or that actual, what we refer to as the ANSI contrast. The ability to have very good blacks and very
good highlights at the same time. So I’m going to roll this forward then we’ll
talk about what you’re seeing, because there’s some very significant differences here. I’m going to pause it on a scene coming up
here, because this is an excellent example. So what you are seeing, on the right again,
is the Optoma UHD65, on the left, the Epson 4040, the Pro Cinema. And, what you are seeing is on the right,
the star field is definitely more pronounced because it’s letting the very fine detail
of those pin points of lights come through. You’ll also notice on the Earth, and it may
be a little bit hard to see this because they’re both going to be a little bit over exposed
to show the stars, but the Earth on the right – the highlights, are much more intense to
the eye. They’re both holding detail, but the Epson
is using probably a combination of an iris and/or lamp control to bring the level down
so that, you can get good blacks – and those are good blacks – but it does it at the sacrifice
of the highlights. So you’re not seeing the star field the same. So, I’m going to let this play through, but
that’s a significant advantage for, for most people it’d be an advantage for the Optoma
– because that’s true contrast. And it’s quite a difference that you can see
between those two. As it comes up here, again, we’ll freeze it
here. And I’m going to adjust the iris so that you’re
not overexposing it as much. But you’ll see that the right side is considerably
brighter and darker at the same time – which is the most difficult thing to do. The other thing that’s playing into this to
some degree, it’s not going to affect the high brightness, you can see the Epson’s in
its brightest mode. And if we go over here to the Optoma, and
we go into its brightness setting, you can see they’re both in the high brightness mode. I’m going to take those menus off the screen
so that you can see the pictures without anything else onto them. But I think the other reason, any I’m going
to open up this iris just a little bit so you can see some of the differences in the
background, the star field. But it could be, and probably is also related
to at least the fine points of light – is the left side is the 4K e-shift and the right
side is 4K. So here’s a case where the detail, the star
field in this case, is so fine, that the 4 million pixels on the left just can’t compete
with the 8 million pixels on the right. So this is a combination of both detail and
contrast.

33 thoughts on “Epson Pro Cinema 4040 vs Optoma UHD65 4K

  1. To me the UHD65 looks to have significant difficulty with fast-moving scenes. Look at the judder for the movie trailer, especially when panning over the trees. Was the motion processing turned on? The Epson is so smooth at the same point. As a sports fan the constant judder is a deal-breaker and will now probably go Epson. Such a shame as it looks to have great image quality.

    Watching other Youtube videos they all seem to have Epson in 'bright cinema' mode, which apparently provides a far brighter and better picture than 'cinema'.

    Good video though, well done!

  2. There's an error in this video: the Epson 4040 and Epson 5040/6040 are not at all similar in performance. The 4040 has a fraction of the contrast potential of the 5040/6040 as they employ different LCD panels. Other than that great video! 🙂

  3. I am sorry to say that no 3D no sale and the Optoma UHD65 4K and Optoma UHD60 4K have no 3D. I am really wondering thinking of the fact that 3D requires big inches to be really immersive, what were the optoma people thinking when they decided that. All the people I know are waiting for a DLP 3D 4K at up to 3000USD and have already skipped this projector from their list. Granted there is no 4K 3D standard but how about FullHD 3D? Complete nonsense and a great pity.

  4. why are you using wong term of saying "native 4K" when: The Optoma UHD65 uses the new 4K DLP chip which puts 3840×2160
    discrete pixels on the screen. However the chip itself has 2716×1528
    micro-mirrors and pixel-shifting technology is used to achieve the
    result on screen. The HUGE question is whether this method of achieving a
    4K picture can match the image detail of fully native 4K chips.

  5. What about rainbow effect on the Optoma? I am sensitive to it, but hope it´s gotten better nowadays.. Also, please do a side by side with the Epson TW9300 (5040UB I think in the US..), because price wise, they are the only option for me (in Norway..)

  6. To bad the comparison has been made to the Epson 4040 (TW7300 in Europe), as the 5040 (TW9300 in Europe) is much much better in contrast, blacklevels and the same time holding his highlights where the 4040 fails in this test. Besides that the color accuracy of the 5040 is better then the 4040. I really would like to see the comparison of the 5040 vs the UHD65

  7. Too bad the optoma isn’t true 4k. It’s 2716 x 1528 with e-shifting. While double the pixels of the 2 million on the 4040 (not 4 million as stated) still not true 4k

  8. Ted – your direct comparison method is great and I wish everybody did it like you. However, it would have been nice to directly compare the 5040UB since this is the real competitor by dollars. Any opportunity to shoot a new comparison or does the 5040UB upset the balance and change conclusions especially in the UHD domain?

  9. Thanks a billion for great review! But how come Epson is sharper for instance @ 3:18 and 4:12? It's quite surprising. Epson is still sharper when both projectors sharpness settings at max?

  10. Maybe it's my cheap monitor, but the Epson looks slightly green when compared to the Optoma. On the contrast test comparison it was very noticeable. On the skin tone test too.

  11. People do your research and don't believe this nonsense! No DLP can come close to this Epson black and contrast level. If you buy the optoma believing that you will be very disappointed.

  12. I own a epson 8350 model (Which is a 1080 p) And if i get to close to the screen ,i can see the screen door effect…in this test.you are doing , i could see the screen door effect on the epson and not the Optoma . why am i still seeing that effect on a 4k epson and not the 4k optoma.

  13. it's amazing how far we've come with affordable "true 4k" projectors have come. Making buying a flatscreen pointless…assuming the buyer has a spot to place the projector. If there's a dedicated room the only choice that makes sense today would be a projector like the Optoma UHD or UHZ…I wonder who else makes a true 4k projector like Optoma's 2 65 models. Maybe you could do a shootout video if you haven't already comparing affordable true 4k projectors.

    Actually with projectors like the Optoma's I don't think it makes any sense to buy the Sony's native 4k able projectors at 2x the cost plus….the picture quality isn't clearly 2x better.

    Also, projector today have come a long way (the affordable…e-shift an the affordable "true 4k"). I'm sure any one would be happy with a e-shift Epson or JVC. Especially if they've never seen an a/b comparison. Or if they see the two projector types separately at different times in different shops. Rarely will one shop have two setup for a shootout since they would want to sell both brand/models. I think it comes down to budget and preconceived knowledge of what each projector can do.

  14. Check the panel alignment on the epson it looks like blue bleed . even new out the box Epsons should should have it done by a pro they are always a little off from factory It can be an all day deal to do each color on over 100 intersections on the grid .Realign panels then compare the epson will get alot sharper Sorta of throw back to the CRT days

  15. I have a 4040 and I love it. (I got it for the lens memory and I am keeping it for the Great picture.)

    I was able to get one new for $1400.00. Remember these epsons are not really 4K projectors. Optoma is a True 4K projector (Not Native 4K) The optoma puts 4k pixels on screen and has in reviews stood up to the Sony Native projectors. The epson if I had to guess puts double of 1080p So I would call it a true 3K projector just for reference. That said at normal viewing distance you will not tell much difference IMHO. The reality is that HDR is the thing that makes these new projectors shine and for movies the Epson 4040 has great HDR. The epson has so many great features that makes it a great Movie projector. For games it is complicated as Games run in 60fps on consoles and in fact the xbox one and most streaming boxes run everything in 60fps and the Epson only goes to 10gbs bandwidth so at 60fps you will lose HDR unless you use an HDfury linker but then you just get 8bit HDR which still looks great but be aware. For streaming on all the projectors you need to be using a 5th gen apple tV or Shield TV anyway since they will stream movies at 24FPS. Xbox one S and X only allow the BluRay app to run at 24p and it is glorius on the Epson. I run 2 separate motorized screens 16:9 and 2.35:1 so I needed a projector with Lens and shift memory. And in case you care The 3D is great on this as well.

    If you do not need the lens memory then consider the Optoma. or any of the projectors that use the TI DMD .4 or .7 chips. The TI chips are the real deal, especially the .7 chip People confuse the DMD projectors with Eshift and that is a shame. Remember your projector screen does not have pixels so it does not matter how the 4K got on the screen as long as you have it. Native chips will looks bit sharper but those big chips need more light and so add HDR to that and you better have a super dark room.

  16. Yes true 4k is better but from a distance it isn't that obvious . I have an Epsom 5350 1080p projector 💯" screen compared to my LG 55 Oled 4k screen the Epsom destroys it . I still prefer 1080p . It's still good enough. And most 4k films on a blue ray disc are not true 4k. The Optoma dosent have lens memory shift feature which I think the latest Epsoms do . I prefer Epsom better value . Thanks for the video.

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