French Federal Leaders’ Debate 2019 (English translation) Part 1

French Federal Leaders’ Debate 2019 (English translation) Part 1


>>Vassy: WELCOME BACK TO “POWER & POLITICS”, WE’RE COMING TO YOU LIVE FROM GATINEAU, OVER IN QUÉBEC, WHERE WE ARE COUNTING DOWN TO THE FINAL FEDERAL LEADERS DEBATE OF THIS ELECTION CAMPAIGN. THE COUNT DOWN IS THERE ON THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN. HELLO TO THE VIEWERS JOINING US ON THE LIVE STEAM. LATER THE HOUR WE WILL BE TAKING YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEBATE. THE POWER PANEL WILL TRY TO ANSWER AS MANY AS THEY CAN. POST THEM ON TWITTER, YOUTUBE AND FACEBOOK. MEANWHILE, I’M HERE WITH HANNAH THIBEDEAU. YOU CAN BE OUTSIDE IN THE CROWD FOR THIS DURATION OF THIS EVENING, SEEING ALL THE VARIOUS LEADERS ARRIVE. A LOT OF SPECULATION GOING INTO THIS DEBATE FOCUSED ON BLOC LEADER YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET AND HOW HIS UP SWING IN POPULARITY, HIS PARTY HAS BEEN CLIMBING THE POLLS, HOW IT MIGHT CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF THIS DEBATE FOR OTHER LEADERS AS WELL AS HIMSELF. >>IT WILL CHANGE THE DYNAMIC. I WAS TRAVELLING WITH LEBEL LEADER JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT IT’S LIKELY YOU’RE GOING TO LOSE SEATS ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN OTHER REGIONS, THAT’S WHAT HE’S THINKING, THEY WERE HOPING TO PICK UP MANY OF THE SEATS IN QUÉBEC, WITH THE UPTICK WITH THE BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS, IT SHOWS THAT MAYBE THEY’RE NOT GOING TO PICK UP THE NUMBER OF SEATS THEY HAD HOPED FOR IN QUÉBEC, WHICH COULD CAUSE HIM BIG PROBLEMS ON ELECTION DAY, BECAUSE IF THEY START TAKING AWAY SOME OF THE SUPPORT IN THIS PROVINCE THAT HAS 78 SEATS AND THEY WERE HOPING TO PICK UP THE 40 THEY CURRENTLY HAVE, IT COULD CAUSE A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR THEM IN PARTICULAR MAJORITY, MINORITY OR EVEN POTENTIALLY NOT BECOMING THE NEXT PRIME MINISTER AGAIN.>>Vassy: IT’S INTERESTING BECAUSE THE FOCUS GOING INTO THE CAMPAIGN WAS ON THE PATH TO QUÉBEC BEING A PATH TO MAJORITY FOR THE LIBERALS. I FEEL LIKE EVERY CONVERSATION THATTIC AT THATS PLACE AROUND POSSIBLE SCENARIOS MOSTLY INVOLVES A MINORITY SITUATION. SO MUCH SO THAT WE SAW JAGMEET SINGH THIS MORNING BASICALLY SAYING, HERE ARE MY TERMS FOR — IF THAT HAPPENS AND I HOLD THE BALANCE OF POWER. HE SAID A LOT MORE THAN THAT, BUT THAT WAS THE MESSAGING AROUND IT. >>THAT’S THE MESSAGING HE WANTS TO GET OUT THERE SAYING LOOK I’M DOING WELL IN THE POLLS, I WANT TO PICK UP MORE SEATS SO THEY CAN BECOME THE BALANCE OF POWER. IF THE BLOC SURGES TOO, THERE COULD BE IF A MINORITY SITUATION THAT THE BLOC COULD BECOME THE BALANCE OF POWER. HE’S SAYING HERE ARE MY TERMS, HE’S ALREADY SAID HE’S NOT GOING TO WORK WITH A MINORITY CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT, SO ESSENTIALLY SAYING HERE IS MY TOP FIVE THINGS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT THAT I WANT FROM YOU IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS WORK AND BE A PARTNERSHIP, IF THAT IS TO HAPPEN.>>Vassy: WE SAW Mr. BLANCHET IN THE ENGLISH DEBATE A FEW DAYS AGO MONDAY EVENING SORT OF MAKING PROBABLY HIS FIRST IMPRESSION ON THE REST OF CANADA. QUÉBEC VOTERS ARE GOING TO BE A BIT MORE FAMILIAR WITH HIM. I DON’T KNOW IF YOU SAW THIS, HE LOOKED TENSER TO ME WALKING IN TODAY, AND THE CONTROVERSY AROUND CANDIDATES AND THEIR ANTI-ISLAMIC SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS AND GETTING LOTS OF QUESTIONS. HE LOOKED MORE STRESSED OUT OR TENSE TODAY THAN HE DID ON MONDAY WHEN HE ARRIVED. A LITTLE BIT MORE TO LOSE THIS TIME. >>ON MOPPED HE HAS NOTHING — MONDAY HE HAD NOTHING TO LOSE. TODAY WE KNOW THERE’S GOING TO BE A LARGER FRENCH POPULATION WATCHING HIM. AND HE HAS A LOT ON THE LINE, IN PARTICULAR WHEN YOU START TO SURGE IN THE POLLS, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KEEP THEIR EYEBALLS ON YOU MORE. YOU COULD TELL I FELT WHEN HE WALKED IN TODAY OPPOSED TO THE OTHER DAY, HE SEEMED A BIT MORE TENSE, BUT LIKE YOU SAY THERE WAS THE CONTROVERSY, ALL THE QUESTIONS WERE COMING FROM THE REPORTERS ABOUT THAT AND THEY WANTED TO GET ANSWERS ON IT. AND I WAS TRYING TO GET ANY ENGLISH QUESTION IN THERE. IT JUST WASN’T HAPPENING. THERE WAS ONE QUICK ONE TO HIM IN ENGLISH ON THE SAME CONTROVERSY. BUT I THINK HE’S FEELING THE PRESSURE AND THE PRESSURE BECOMES MORE INTENSE WHEN YOUR POPULARITY RISES.>>Vassy: IT’S NOT JUST THE PUBLIC THAT INCREASES THE SCRUTINY, IT’S GOING TO BE TONIGHT TOO. YOU CAN EXPECT OTHER LEADERS TO NARROW THEIR CRITICISM OF HIM IN THEIR ATTACKS ON HIM. >>IN PARTICULAR JUSTIN TRUDEAU. ONE OF THE THINGS I BET YOU WE’LL HEAR TONIGHT AND WE CAN CHAT LATER IF I’M RIGHT, AND WE HEARD IT FROM JUSTIN TRUDEAU YESTERDAY ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, AND WHAT HE WAS SAYING IS ESSENTIALLY, LOOK, HE CAN’T BECOME A NATIONAL LEADER, YOU DON’T WANT TO PUT YOUR VOTE WITH HIM. QUÉBECERS WE KNOW ARE ONE OF THE BIGGEST IF NOT THE BIGGEST ISSUE FOR THEM IS CLIMATE CHANGE. YOU CAN’T HAVE A NATIONAL CLIMATE PLAN WITH A LEADER THAT ONLY REPRESENTS ONE PROVINCE. HOW IS HE GOING TO FIGHT AGAINST DOUG FORD? HOW IS HE GOING TO FIGHT AGAINST JASON KENNEY WHO WANT TO GET RID OF THE CARBON TAX.>>Jesse: YOU’LL SEE OTHER ATTACKS FROM OTHER LEADERS. THANK YOU HANNAH. 54 MINUTES TO GO. WHERE DO THE PARTIES STAND AS WE COUNT DOWN TO THIS FRENCH-LANGUAGE DEBATE DEBATE. THE FINAL DEBATE OF 2019? WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO STAND OUT ESPECIALLY IN QUÉBEC. STICK BY TO FIND OUT MORE. FIRST THOUGH A DEBATE PRIMER. TONIGHT’S DEBATE WILL BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SAW ON MONDAY EVENING. HERE IS A RUN-DOWN OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT. THE TWO-HOUR DEBATE WILL BE DIVIDED INTO ECONOMY AND FINANCES, ENVIRONMENT AND ENERGY, FOREIGN POLICY AND IMMIGRATION, IDENTITY, ETHICS AND GOVERNANCE AND SERVICE TO SIT SENS. IN EACH SEGMENT TLGS THERE’S A LOT TO GET THROUGH. THERE’S A QUESTION FROM A CANADIAN, THEN OPEN DEBATE BETWEEN THREE OF THE SIX LEADERS, THEN OPEN DEBATE FROM THE REMAINING THREE LEADERS AND THEN QUESTIONS IN QUICK SUCCESSION FROM A ♪ ♪ Various announcers: The National
Debate, live and in colour. Encounter 79. Live from Ottawa. Vassy: Debates have long been
a moment in the campaign for leaders to lay out their
promises and directly challenge their opponents in person
on a national stage. [applause] Now though,
we hear from leaders on the campaign
trail kind of every day, often live on TV
and social media. As one political
scientist put it, So can they change
the outcomes of elections? And how much do
debates matter anyway? ♪ ♪ Depending on who you talk
to and what you read, just how useful they are and
how much impact they can have – well it’s up for debate. Party strategists
will tell you they’re key. It’s really
important. A debate is a huge inflection
point in a campaign and continues to be so. I think debates
do influence voters. Academics have long been researching whether
that’s actually true. Often it depends
on the election. We can identify certain
debates that have had the impact on the bottom
line of voter intention. Most debates,
most of the time however, don’t have
discernible impact. Vassy: That’s Richard Johnston. He’s a political scientist at the University
of British Columbia. Other political scientists
agree, including Andre Blay of the University of Montréal. He says, Mr Mulcair has said
he doesn’t think we should be in this fight at all. ♪ ♪ Vassy: Debates may be the most
watched event during an election but political
scientists say the majority of
the population doesn’t tune in. And those who do are already
pretty engaged in politics. Richard: A large part
of that audience is just looking for confirmation. Now sometimes they could be looking for
a kind of reassurance. Vassy: In fact academics
also point out many people get their
information about the debate from how it’s condensed and news coverage
and on social media. Richard: So in fact
if you look at debates that do seem to change things, a lot of the change unfolds as
people learn about the debates in the news stream. [static] Also, some reaction from
people in Québec to the French language
debate last night. Don, aside from the press
reaction in Montréal, what was the reaction in terms
of the leaders themselves? Well of course the leaders
all think they won. More often than not. it’s a short term
change that is reversed. So it’s like a pulse
that then goes away. ♪ ♪ [ ♪♪♪ ]>>Vassy: WELCOME BACK. YOU’RE WATCHING A SPECIAL EXTENDED EDITION OF “POWER & POLITICS”, WE’RE COMING TO YOU FROM THE CANADIAN MUSEUM OF HISTORY OVER IN GATINEAU, QUÉBEC, FOR DEBATE NIGHT TAKE TWO. THIS TIME SIX PARTY LEADERS FACE OFF IN FRENCH. IN 50 MINUTES TO BE EXACT. HOW COULD TONIGHT MAKE OR BREAK A PARTY’S CHANCES? SHACHI KURL JOINS US FROM VANCOUVER AND OVER IN OTTAWA, IN OUR OTTAWA STUDIOS ERIC GRENIER IS CBC’S POLLS ANALYST. HI TO BOTH OF YOU. >>HI.>>HELLO. >>Vassy: I WANT TO SET THIS STAGE FOR OUR VIEWERS TO BEGIN WITH, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING IN QUÉBEC RIGHT NOW?>>WELL, FRESH FROM THE OVEN OR MORE LIKE OUR COMPUTER TERMINAL, WE ARE SEEING BRAND-NEW NUMBERS FROM THE ANGUS REID INSTITUTE SHOWING THE BLOC IS REALLY COMING ALONG. WE’RE SEEING GAINS FOR THE BLOC IN QUÉBEC. THIS HAS BEEN A RACE UP TO THIS POINT THAT THE LIBERALS HAVE REALLY BEEN ABLE TO HOLD THE HIGH GROUND ON IN LABELLE PROVINCE, IT REPRESENTED A FIGHTING CHANCE FOR THE INCUMBENT PARTY IN TERMS OF PROSPECTS. Mr. BLANCHET HAD A GOOD OUTING IN THE INITIAL FRENCH DEBATE. PEOPLE SEEMED TO THINK HE WAS DOING OKAY IN THE ENGLISH DEBATE. HE DIDN’T HAVE A LOT OF PRESSURE ON HIM AND AS A RESULT WE’RE STARTING TO SEE THE BLOC SURGE IN QUÉBEC, ACCORDING TO NEW NUMBERS THAT WE JUST PUT OUT THIS AFTERNOON. THE OTHER PIECE OF THE DYNAMIC, SLIGHTLY AWAY FROM THE FRENCH DEBATE, BUT THE BOOM-BUST ECHO OF THE ENGLISH DEBATE CONTINUES TO BE AN NDP BUMP ON THE STRENGTH OF JAGMEET SINGH’S PERFORMANCE IN THAT DEBATE, AND WHERE WE’RE REALLY SEEING THE NDP COME UP AND REALLY INTO PLAY IS IN BRITISH COLUMBIA, A PLACE WHERE TRADITIONALLY THE PARTY HAS DONE WELL, EARLIER IN THE CAMPAIGN IT WAS SORT OF COMPETING AND SCRAPPING WITH THE GREENS FOR THIRD PLACE BUT IS PUTTING DAYLIGHT BOTH NATIONALLY AND IN BRITISH COLUMBIA BETWEEN ITSELF AND THE GREENS AND STARTING TO EVEN COME UP INTO REAL CONTENTION AND PLAY WITH THE LIBERALS. SO OVERALL THE NATIONAL PICTURE AND THAT REGIONAL PICTURE IN QUÉBEC, THE LIBERAL VOTE CONTINUES TO DILUTE, CONTINUES TO SPREAD OUT, BUT WE DO CONTINUE TO SEE A LOT OF SHAKYNESS WITH THE CENTRE LEFT VOTE AND A LOT OF LACK OF CERTAINTY, EVEN TODAY, NOT EVEN TWO WEEKS OUT FROM VOTING DAY WITH ADVANCED VOTING STARTING TOMORROW.>>Vassy: TEN DAYS OUT. I WANT TO PICK UP ON THAT POINT AROUND UNCERTAINTY AND SPECIFIC TO EXEC. LET ME GET YOU TO ZERO IN ON THAT, THE IDEA OF THE BLOC AND THE UP SWING AND THEY’VE SEEN IT OVER THE FIRST FEW WEEKS OF THIS CAMPAIGN AND MORE SO IN THE PAST WEEK. IF THAT AFFECTS A PARTY OR MORE THAN ONE PARTY, HOW DOES IT AFFECT THEM IN QUÉBEC, ERIC?>>WELL, I THINK WE’VE SEEN THAT PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY BUT THE NEW DEMOCRATS SEEM TO BE IMPACTED BY THE RISING BLOC NUMBERS IN THE PROVINCE. THE LIBERAL NUMBERS ARE LOOKING WEAKER, PARTICULARLY AMONG FRANCOPHONES. WE SAW POLLS SHOWING THEM TRAILING AMONG FRANCOPHONES. THAT’S A BIG PROBLEM FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU. THE CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN HEADING IN QUÉBEC EVER SINCE THE FIRST FRENCH LANGUAGE DEBATE IN WHICH ANDREW SCHEER WAS THE LOSER OF THAT DEBATE. THERE’S BEEN A LOT OF SPACE OPENED UP FOR YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET IN THE PROVINCE. HE DID WELL IN THE TVA DEBATE. THE ISSUE FOR HIM NOW IS HE’S AT THE FOCUS OF EVERYBODY IN THE PROVINCE. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO TAKE DOWN THE BLOC A COUPLE OF PEGS. THEY ARE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THEIR OWN POTENTIAL FOR PICKING UP SEATS. BOTH THE LIBERALS AND THE CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN EYEING QUÉBEC AS A PLACE TO MAKE GAINS. BOTH OF THEM ARE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND WORRYING ABOUT THE SEATS THEY ALREADY HELD AND IF THEY WILL BE ABLE TO HOLD THEM IF THE BLOC KEEPS CREEPING UP IN THE POLLS.>>Vassy: SHOULD THEY BE WORRIED?>>TEN DAYS OUT, I THINK ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. AS CLICHED AS THAT SOUNDS, BUT NONE OF THIS IS GOOD NEWS, IF YOU ARE THE LIBERAL PARTY AND YOU WERE LOOKING AT ONE PROVINCE AS A PLACE WHERE YOU HAD SOME HIGH GROUND TO HOLD ON TO AND YOU’RE SEEING THAT SLIP AWAY, WE SAW Mr. TRUDEAU IN THE ENGLISH DEBATE, HE WAS LARGELY SILENT. HE WAS LARGELY ON THE SIDELINES, HE CANNOT AFFORD A REPEAT OF THAT PERFORMANCE TONIGHT IF THEY HOPE TO BE ABLE TO RESHIFT AND RETAKE MOMENTUM FROM THE BLOC, WHICH AS ERIC POINTED OUT, AS BEEN INCREMENTALLY SURGING AND GAINING SINCE THE BEGIN OF THE CAMPAIGN. FOR THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY, OF COURSE THERE’S ALWAYS PRESSURE ON THEM TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP. YOU ALWAYS WANT TO PICK UP, NOT JUST HOLD ON TO WHAT YOU’VE GOT. THAT’S THE POINT OF TRYING TO WIN AN ELECTION. BUT I THINK THE STAKES ARE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER FOR THE LIBERALS IN THIS CASE, THE CONSERVATIVES ALWAYS ARE ABLE TO HOLD ON TO THE ROCK SOLID VOTING BASE THEY HAVE, PARTICULARLY IN ONTARIO WHERE THEY’RE STARTING TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT OF COURSE THAT’S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH, IT’S NOT GOING TO BE A PATH TO VICTORY. QUÉBEC CONTINUES TO BE A PLACE WHERE BOTH PARTIES NEED TO MAKE GAINS AND THAT MEANS BOTH PARTIES NEED TO TAKE DOWN THE BLOC TONIGHT.>>Vassy: LET ME CIRCLE BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH JAGMEET SINGH AND ERIC, THE NUMBERS THOSE NEW NUMBERS FROM ANGUS REID THAT SHACHI IS POINTING TO, THE HEADLINE ASKS THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE MOMENTUM WILL SOLIDIFY OR NOT. WHAT FACTORS ARE YOU LOOKING AT TO DETERMINE IF THAT IS THE CASE OR NOT, ERIC?>>SEEING IF WE HAVE THE NDP GOING UP IN THE POLLS AND HOLDING THE NUMBERS. WE SAW IN THE ANGUS REID POLL N THE LEDGE JAY POLL, AN UPTICK FOR THE NDP IN TWO AREAS, THE MID TO HIGH TEENS. IT’S WHETHER THEY CAN SUSTAIN IT. IF WE DO GET INTO A SCENARIO WHERE NEXT WEEK WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR THE CONSERVATIVES TO WIN, IF THE NEW DEMOCRAT IC VOTING BASE STAYS WITH THE LIBERALS OR NOT. THE POLLING SUGGESTS THAT NEW DEMOCRATS AND GREENS ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT A RETURN OF THE CONSERVATIVES TO POWER THAN A RE-ELECTION FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU. SO FOR JAGMEET SINGH NOT AS MUCH I SAY AT STAKE IN THIS DEBATE. I THINK HE HAS IMPROVED HIS PARTY’S PROSPECTS IN THE PROVINCE A LITTLE BIT, BASED ON THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. SO FOR TONIGHT, IT’S JUST ABOUT WHETHER HE CAN THEN MAKE SURE THAT HE DOESN’T LOSE THOSE INCREMENTAL GAINS. IF SOME OF THE OTHER PARTIES ARE DROPPING IT MIGHT INCREASE THE CHANCES FOR THE NEW DEMOCRATS TO HOLD ON TO THE SEAT WHERE IS THE INCUMBENTS ARE WELL PLACED. IF HE HAS A BAD PERFORMANCE TONIGHT, THEY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE ONE OR TWO OR THREE HOLDOUTS IN THE PROVINCE THAT MIGHT TODAY GET RE-ELECTED BUT MIGHT NOT TOMORROW IF THINGS ARE NOT LOOKING QUITE AS GOOD.>>Vassy: WHEN YOU LOOK TO THAT QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THE MOMENTUM CAN BE SOLIDIFIED, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IN. >>I’M LOOKING AT A LOT OF ISSUES. FIRST OF ALL, WE’RE SEEING THAT MOMENTUM COME UP ON THE BACKS OF YOUNG VOTERS, THOSE MAGICAL UNICORNS OF 18 TO 34-YEAR-OLD VOTERS WHO IN 2015 SURGED AND RALLIED AROUND JUSTIN TRUDEAU, NOW THEY’RE REALLY LIKING WHAT THEY SAW IN JAGMEET SINGH, RALLYING AROUND HIM. WE’RE SEEING HIS FAVOURABILITY NUMBERS PICK UP WITH MEN AND WOMEN AGED 18 TO 34. BUT WE ALL KNOW THIS IS THE ONE COHORT AND DEMOGRAPHIC THAT DOES NOT HAVE A HISTORICAL PAT ERP OF VOTING IN ELECTIONS. YES, THEY SHOWED UP IN 2015. WILL THEY SHOW UP IN 2019? THEN THERE’S THE STRATEGIC VOTING AND THE SECOND CHOICE FACTOR. WHEN WE LOOK AT VOTE CERTAINTY, AGAIN, WE’RE SEEING THAT ROCK SOLID BASE OF CONSERVATIVE VOTERS WHO SAY ABSOLUTELY I’M NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND. YOU’RE INCREASINGLY SEEING MORE LIBERAL VOTERS SAYING I’M NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND. THE POTENTIAL FOR CHANGING MIND AMONG NDP AND GREEN VOTERS CONTINUES TO BE MASSIVE. YOU LOOK AT THAT AND LOOK AT SECOND CHOICE AND ULTIMATELY WHEN YOU ASK THE QUESTION OF SOFT VOTERS WHO COULD STILL CHANGE THEIR MIND AND SIT ON THE CENTRE LEFT, WHAT’S THE LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU MIGHT JUST SWITCH AND VOTE FOR THE LIBERALS AT THE END OF THE DAY? YOU SEE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THEM SAYING, YEAH, I COULD, IF IT CAME DOWN TO BLOCKING A PARTY OR A GOVERNMENT THAT I DIDN’T WANT TO SEE, NAMELY THE CONSERVATIVES, VERSUS SUPPORTING A PARTY THAT MAYBE I DON’T LIKE, BUT IS CLOSER IN LINE TO MY VALUES. AND YOU ASK THE QUESTION OF VOTERS TODAY, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? A CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY, A CONSERVATIVE MINORITY, OR ONE OF THOSE TWO OPTIONS ON THE LIBERAL SIDE, LOOK, THE CONSERVATIVE BASE ABSOLUTELY ON THE STRENGTH OF IT SAYS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY, THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT 34% OF THE POPULATION, BUT EVERYONE ELSE IS SPLIT LARGELY BETWEEN SEEING AND WANTING TO SEE EITHER A LIBERAL OR A MAJORITY OR A LIBERAL MINORITY. AGAIN, THOSE VOTE DYNAMICS ON THE LEFT OF CENTRE, VERY JIGGLY, VERY MUSHY AND HAVE YET TO LOCK IN AND WE JUST WITH 10 DAYS TO GO ARE NOT NECESSARILY SEEING ANY SIGN THAT THEY HAVE FINISHED MOVING AROUND. AND YOU COULD SEE THAT HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, VERY LATE IN THE CAMPAIGN, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.>>Vassy: HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE, ERIC, THE MUSHY DYNAMICS ON THE LEFT, HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT MIGHT AFFECT THE MESSAGING PARTICULARLY FROM THE LIBERALS HEADING INTO THESE LAST TEN DAYS?>>JUSTIN TRUDEAU HAS BEEN TRYING TO MAKE THIS ELECTION HAS A CHOICE BETWEEN HIS GOVERNMENT AND A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT. SO I THINK WE’RE GOING TO KEEP HEARING THAT AND PRETTY LOUDLY FROM JUSTIN TRUDEAU. BECAUSE IT’S THE OLD PLAY BOOK FOR THE LIBERALS, THEY TRY TO GET THE NDP VOTERS AND GREEN VOTERS TO GO BACK INTO THE LIBERAL FOLD TO BLOCK A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT. I THINK THAT IS WHAT ABSOLUTELY WE’RE GOING TO BE HEARING FROM JUSTIN TRUDEAU, AND WE’RE ALREADY STARTING TO HEAR SOME OF THE OTHER LEADERS MORE OR LESS POSITION THEMSELVES FOR AFTERWARDS. JAGMEET SINGH GIVING HIS CONDITIONS FOR SUPPORTING A GOVERNMENT, ELIZABETH MS. MAY HAS ALWAYS WANTED TO HAVE A MINORITY GOVERNMENT WHERE THE GREENS HOLD A BALANCE OF POWER AND EVEN YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET HAS BEEN MAKING THE CASE, SEND ENOUGH TO THE HOUSE OF COMMONS AND WE CAN HOLD THE BALANCE OF POWER. I THINK WE’RE GOING TO KEEP HEARING THE PARTIES THAT HAVE THAT POTENTIAL TO HOLD THE BALANCE OF POWER, TO TALK ABOUT DON’T WASTE YOUR VOTE ON A LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE, ELECT US AND WE CAN HAVE A MINORITY GOVERNMENT. JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE MESSAGE. THEY’RE GOING TO BE CLASHING.>>Vassy: SHACHI, FINAL QUESTION TO YOU, TEN DAYS TO GO AS WE’VE BEEN SAYING THROUGHOUT THIS. IF YOU COULD HELP OUR VIEWERS UNDERSTAND WHAT EXACTLY YOU WILL BE LOOKING FOR IN THOSE TEN DAYS, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?>>TURNOUT, TURNOUT, TURNOUT, ADVANCED VOTING STARTS TOMORROW. I THINK THAT’S GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING INDICATION OF WHO IS SHOWING UP. THE QUESTION OF WHO SHOWS UP EARLY, WHO SHOWS UP LATE? WE SAW FOUR YEARS AGO KEEN VOTERS ACROSS ALL AGE DEMOGRAPHICS SHOWING UP IN THE ADVANCED POLLS TO BE COUNTED. IF WE ARE ONLY SEEING OLDER VOTERS AND OLD ERDEM GRAFININGS SHOWING — OLD ERDEM GRAPHICS SHOWING UP THAT IS A SIGN ACROSS THE LEFT OF CENTRE SPECTRUM, THE PARTIES HAVE TO LOOK AT MOBILIZING THEIR VOTE AND THEY’RE TRYING TO DO THAT WHILE AT THE SAME TIME TRYING TO PULL TOGETHER THEIR VOTES. THAT IS SOMETHING AGAIN THAT’S GOING TO BE THE STORY OF THIS ELECTION. WHERE DO THE YOUNG PEOPLE GO AND ONCE THEY’VE DECIDED TO DO SOMETHING, IF THEY DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING, WILL THEY ACTUALLY SHOW UP OR WILL THEY STAY HOME? THE LIBERALS ARE IN A TRICKY POSITION RIGHT NOW. THIS IS A TIME WHERE MISTAKES CAN BE MADE, UNFORCED ERRORS CAN HAPPEN. THEY HAVE TO SOMEHOW WALK THE LINE BETWEEN NOT BEING TOO NEGATIVE IN CALLING OUT THEIR OPPONENTS AND TRYING TO MAKE THE CASE FOR THEMSELVES AND AT THE SAME TIME EXORTING THAT BASE TO LOOK AT THEM AS THE ONLY OPTION. AND THE THING IS THAT THOSE TWO THINGS DON’T ALWAYS GO TOGETHER SO WELL BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNS CAN HAVE THE EFFECT OF TURNING PEOPLE OFF WHEN PEOPLE ARE TURNED OFF THEY STAY HOME. IF THEY STAY HOME, THAT’S BAD NEWS AGAIN FOR THIS INCUMBENT GOVERNMENT.>>Vassy: YOU’VE GIVEN US A LOT TO WATCH FOR TONIGHT, THANK YOU TO BOTH OF YOU. SHACHI KURL AND OF COURSE OUR OWN ERIC GRENIER. 38 MINUTES TO GO, THE COUNT DOWN IS ON. WE’RE HERE AT THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY COUNTING DOWN TO THE FRENCH-LANGUAGE DEBATE, THE FINAL DEBATE OF THIS ELECTION CAMPAIGN. THE POWER PANEL WILL BE HERE AT A QUICK COMMERCIAL BREAK TO WEIGH IN. WE’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE STAKES AFTER THE STRATEGIES AHEAD OF THE DEBATE. STAY WITH US. [ ♪♪♪ ]>>ONE AT A TIME –>>Mr. SINGH. >>YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN Mr. DELAY AND Mr. DENY, THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION.>>ANDREW, YOU’RE CALLING YOURSELF A CONSERVATIVE, BUT YOU DON’T WANT TO BALANCE THE BUDGET IN TWO YEARS, YOU WILL HAVE $70 BILLION OF DEBT. >>FROM THE ROCKIES TO THE BAY OF FUNDY, CONSERVATIVE PREMIERS HAVE GOTTEN ELECTED ON PROMISES TO DO NOTHING ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND WE NEED A STRONG FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO FIGHT THEM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD ON PROTECTING THE FUTURE GENERATIONS FROM THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE.>>THERE IS A VACANCY FOR THE ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADERSHIP AND IF YOU’RE SO FOCUSED ON PROVABLE POLITICS, GO AND RUN FOR THE LEADER OF THAT PARTY, Mr. TRUDEAU. >>WHAT YOU’RE DOING IS PLAYING THIS OLD CARD. YOU’RE TRADING THE IDEA THAT QUÉBEC IS CORRUPT. THOSE 3,400 PEOPLE HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG, NOW THE VALUE OF THEIR SHARES ARE GOING WRONG. >>WE WILL NEVER RETREAT, NOT ONE INCH. [ applause ] [ ♪♪♪ ] [ ♪♪♪ ]>>Vassy: WELCOME BACK TO A VERY SPECIAL EXTENDED DEBATE DAY EDITION OF “POWER & POLITICS” COMING TO YOU FROM THE SITE OF THE FINAL LEADERS DEBATE OF THIS CAMPAIGN, THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY OVER IN QUÉBEC. IN JUST OVER HALF AN HOUR, 33 MINUTES, SIX PARTY LEADERS WILL GO HEAD TO HEAD IN FRENCH AND “CBC NEWS NETWORK” WILL OF COURSE BRING YOU THAT DEBATE WITH FULL TRANSLATION. STAY TUNED FOR THAT. TO BREAK TOWN THE STRATEGIES HEADING INTO THE DEBATE AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT THAT DEBATE HAS, WE’VE CONVENED OUR POWER. MELISSA LANTSMAN JOINS US FROM TORONTO AND HERE WITH ME IN OUR SO-CALLED STUDIO, I GUESS, FORMER QUÉBEC LIBERAL MINISTER YOLANDE JAMES AND FRANCE BOIVIN IS NEXT TO HER AND MARIE VASTEL. WE’RE HERE FOR THE DURATION, THE NEXT 33 MINUTES. I WANT TO PLAY ON OR PICK UP ON SOME OF THE EXPERIENCE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN PREPARING FOR DEBATES. I’LL START WITH YOU MELISSA BECAUSE I KNOW YOU’VE BEEN INVOLVED IN DEBATE PREP, IN MOCK DEBATES. WHAT KINDS OF THINGS, IF YOU CAN HELP OUR VIEWERS UNDERSTAND, PULL BACK THE CURTAIN ON WHAT’S BEEN HAPPENING IN THE LAST 12 TO 24 HOURS BEHIND THE SCENES FOR THE PARTIES. >>SURE, THE LAST 12 TO 24 HOURS ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT DEBATE PREP ENTAILS. PEOPLE THINK IT’S FUN. IT’S ACTUALLY NOT REALLY. THERE IS A LOT OF SORT OF BOOK WORK, CREATING THE BINDER, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS OKAY ON THE POLICY FRONT OF WHAT THE LEADER IS GOING TO SAY TO ALL THE QUESTIONS. IN THE LAST 12 TO 24 HOURS, YOU WOULD SEE SOMETHING LIKE MOCK DEBATES AND THAT’S WHEN TEAMS TRY TO RECREATE THE EXACT THING THAT THE CANDIDATE IS GOING TO FEEL ON STAGE. THAT’S WHERE EVERYBODY IS STANDING. YOU’VE GOT USUALLY PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE LEADER PLAYING THE ROLES OF THE OTHER LEADERS AND THEY SPEND LOTS OF TIME LOOKING AT TAPE, MAKING SURE THEY CAN GET INTO CHARACTER AND MAKING SURE THEY CAN STAVE OFF THE ATTACKS THEY MIGHT FEEL ON THE STAGE. TWO VERY DIFFERENT PROCESSES. ONE OF THEM CERTAINLY MORE FUN THAN THE OTHER. IT’S THE JOB OF THE DEBATE TEAM, IT’S REALLY TO GET THE LEADER READY AND IF THE DEBATE PREP IS NOT HARDER THAN THE ACTUAL DEBATE, I THINK THE DEBATE TEAM HASN’T DONE ITS JOB.>>Vassy: FOR THOSE WATCHING US ON TWITTER AND FACEBOOK YOU CAN SEND IN YOUR QUESTIONS. IN THE NEXT HALF HOUR, WE WILL BE GETTING TO AS MANY OF THE QUESTIONS AS POSSIBLE. POST THEM IN THE COMMENT SECTION AND I’LL ASK THEM ON YOUR BEHALF. FRANÇOISE AS YOU PARTICIPATED IN MANY DEBATES, WHAT IS IT LIKE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE?>>WELL, I WOULDN’T LIKE TO BE ONE OF THESE LEADERS THAT MELISSA DESCRIBED BECAUSE FOR ME WHAT WAS IMPORTANT — AND I APPRECIATE IT FROM MY TEAM, WAS THAT THEY LET ME BE A BIT — IT’S VERY IMPORTANT TO NOT STRESS OUT YOUR CANDIDATE, AND I FELT A DIFFERENCE IN MY PREPARATION BETWEEN 2011 AND 2015. 2011 I WAS NOT THE MP, SO I WAS FIGHTING SOMEBODY TO OUST SOMEBODY FROM THEIR SEAT. IN 2015 EVERYBODY CAME AFTER ME. SO IT’S TWO DIFFERENT PREPARATIONS. SO I THINK THE TEAM SHOULD NOT LOOK AT A HANDY BOOK ON HOW DEBATE GOES, BUT ADAPT IT TO THEIR OWN SITUATION. WHERE IS THEIR LEADER AT THIS POINT IN TIME? WHAT’S THEIR FORTE? WHAT’S THEIR WEAKNESS? TRY TO NOT WORK SO MUCH THE WEAKNESS — THE CANDIDATE BECOMES SO NOT AT EASE. YOU CAN FREEZE A CANDIDATE SOMETIMES THAT IS SO AFRAID OF DOING A MISTAKE. LET THEM — I MEAN, THEY’RE NOT LEADER FOR NOTHING. THEY WON DEBATES BEFORE AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE IN THEIR PARTY. SO I HOPE THEY ALL HAVE TIME TO RELAX IN ANY WAY THAT THEY RELAX, WHATEVER, AND THAT THEY CAN COME OUT AND REALIZE AND BREAK DOWN THE TWO HOURS BY THE NUMBER OF MINUTES THEY WILL ACTUALLY BE ON STAGE AND ONCE YOU REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO PERFORM THAT WELL FOR THAT LONG. SO I HOPE THEY DIDN’T OVERPREPARE THEM.>>Vassy: IT’S INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU ECHO WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID, THAT IS CONFIDENCE IN THE WAY IN WHICH — SUBSTANCE IMPORTANT, BUT THE WAY IN WHICH YOU COME ACROSS, THE EASE AT WHICH YOU CONDUCT YOURSELF IN A DEBATE CAN MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE. WE HAD BOB RAE AND CHRISTY CLARK ON YESTERDAY. BOB SAID HE WOULD GO GOLFING AND CHRIS CLARKE WOULD WRITE ON A PIECE OF PAPER, HAVE FUN AND THAT WAS IN FRONT OF HER ON THE PODIUM. SHE WAS LIKE, IT’S FUN.>>YEAH, IT IS. >>Vassy: HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU THINK IS THE WAY IN WHICH PEOPLE COME ACROSS?>>I THINK AUTHENTICITY DOESN’T LIE. IT’S A TELEVISED DEBATE. AS MUCH AS WE TRY TO PREPARE LINES AND YOU WANT TO GET IT THROUGH, IN THE END THE CITIZEN IS VERY MUCH ABLE TO SEE WHEN YOU’RE BEING REAL OR WHEN YOU ARE JUST PASSING A LINE. OR A MESSAGE. SO AUTHENTICITY IN THE WAY THAT YOU PRESENT YOURSELF REALLY MATTERS AND YOU CAN’T REALLY PREP FOR THAT. THERE IS A LOT OF PREPARATION INVOLVED AND YOU HAVE TO DO THAT AND THAT IS PART OF THE CONFIDENCE OBVIOUSLY. BUT AT A CERTAIN POINT, YOU HAVE TO JUST LET IT GO. THE EXPERIENCE THAT YOU HAVE DEBATING, YOU DO GET BETTER AT IT. I THINK OF ELIZABETH MS. MAY WHO HAS DONE THIS BEFORE AND JUSTIN TRUDEAU HAS DONE THIS BEFORE. OBVIOUSLY THERE HAS TO BE A CERTAIN — NOT COMFORT, THERE’S STRESS — BUT YOU’VE BEEN IN THE SURROUNDINGS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT’S HAPPENING. WHEN IT’S YOUR FIRST TIME, IT’S A LOT MORE STRESSFUL. I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR ALL OF THEM AND I SAY THIS EVERY TIME, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT ALL THE LEADERS ARE VERY CONSCIOUS OF THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE 337 CANDIDATES THAT ARE LOOKING TO THEM IN THEIR CAMPAIGN TEAMS WATCHING THEM AND KNOWING HOW IMPORTANT THAT NIGHT IS FOR THEM AND THEY WANT TO PULL THROUGH FOR THEIR TEAM. SO YOU GOT TO PREP AND JUST UNDERSTAND, OH, LET IT GO AND HAVE THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU WHO ARE GOING TO BE BEST FOR YOU IN THOSE MOMENTS. YOU DON’T WANT THE PERSON GOING, ARE YOU OKAY? ARE YOU OKAY? LIKE, THAT’S THE WORST, PROBABLY.>>Vassy: MARIE, IT’S INTERESTING THAT IDEA OF AUTHENTICITY SEEMED TO REALLY SET, FOR EXAMPLE, AND WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT THROUGHOUT THE SHOW, BUT JAGMEET SINGH APART. I LISTENED TO THE SUBSTANCE OF EVERYTHING THAT HE SAID AND OTHER LEADERS SAID. THERE WASN’T A LOT DIFFERENT IN WHAT HE SAID THAN WHAT WE’VE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN, PRIOR TO THE CAMPAIGN. IT WAS THIS SORT OF SENSE THAT HE KEPT SORT OF SEPARATING HIMSELF AND HE SEEMED REAL IS WHAT PEOPLE KEEP TELLING ME.>>I AGREE, AND PEOPLE KEEP TELLING ME WHAT THEY DIDN’T LIKE WAS WHEN IT SOUNDED REHEARSED AND WHEN THEY WERE REPEATING THEIR LINES. WHICH JAGMEET SINGH ALSO DID WITH HIS HELPING THE COOPERATE AND NOT HELPING REAL PEOPLE. THEY ALL HAVE THEIR LINES THAT THEY’RE GOING TO REPEAT TODAY AND THAT WE’VE BEEN HEARING FOR 30 DAYS. IT’S TRUE THAT PEOPLE PICK UP ON THAT. THE CHALLENGE IS ESPECIALLY THIS BECAUSE IT’S THE LAST DEBATE, IT’S LIKE YOUR ULTIMATE CHANCE TO SEAL THE DEAL FOR YOUR PARTY. I’M SURE THEY WANT TO FEEL GENUINE AND AUTHENTIC AND RELAXED AND GO GOLFING LIKE BOB. BUT I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW STRESSED OUT — I COULDN’T DO IT. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW STRESSED OUT YOU ARE. >>IT’S THE ULTIMATE VERDICT ON YOUR CAMPAIGN. YEAH, GOOD LUCK TO THE LEADERS. THAT’S HOW I FELT. >>Vassy: THE FIRST MONTH OF THIS SHOW EVERY NIGHT, I WAS GOING TO THROW UP. AS I SAID, YOU’RE STICKING WITH US THROUGHOUT THE NEXT HALF HOUR. 26 MINUTES TO GO UNTIL THE DEBATE BEGINS, YOU’RE WATCHING “POWER & POLITICS” ON “CBC NEWS NETWORK.” WE’RE BACK IN A MOMENT. [ ♪♪♪ ] ♪ ♪ You know, most Canadians if they
don’t show up for work they don’t get a promotion. You could
see Mr Ignatieff was like, “holy crap.
I didn’t see that coming.” And as soon as the debate ended there was an ad on television
with the same message. V/O: Ignatieff had the worst
attendance record of all 308 members of
Parliament. Not so great leadership. ♪ ♪ So that was obviously completely
coordinated and planned. Vassy: A spike in support
for the NDP happened around the time
of the debates, though there were other factors at play too. Those moments are what every
strategist is hoping for. And that’s why they say debate
prep is absolutely critical. Debate prep is like
going and sitting in the dentist chair
for a few hours. And I got to tell you nobody
likes to do it. Strategy is key. A few people are usually solely
assigned to debate prep and they will study the leaders, their strengths,
their weaknesses what topics might
get under their skin. and then they’ll prep a debate book filled with facts,
rebuttals and zingers [applause] And then you have the mock
debates, to give you an idea – this leaked video from Hillary Clinton’s
2016 debate prep shows her campaign manager playing
the role of Donald Trump. Clinton was practicing
how to avoid a hug. So you’ve got to make sure that
you’ve got role players who who are believable
and they’ve got to do a lot of preparation as well. That’s the other thing,
if they’re unprepared debate prep stinks. Vassy: Many view the 1960 Nixon
Kennedy presidential debates as a lesson in why
appearance can also be key. Nixon had been ill
and he stood out next to Kennedy who
appeared healthy. Research indicated that people
who listen to the debate on the radio thought that Nixon
won and people who watched the debate on television
thought that Kennedy won. Some teams even hire
body language experts to help leaders who might have
physical habits or verbal tics that could cause problems. Mostly you want them
to be comfortable. What an incredibly stressful
high-stakes moment that hour and a half
is for those leaders. Vassy: Lietaer says he ran dial groups that showed people
were turned off when exchanges became really negative and
leaders spoke over each other. Lietaer: Whenever people start
shouting at each other or shouting over each other. Dial goes down,
like people hate it. So you’ve got to prepare
your people in a way that says to not be shouting
over each other. Even if there’s no consensus
on the effect debates have, experts do agree
that they’re good for the political process. Debates level the playing
field in a way and allow parties who are maybe second, third,
fourth, fifth tier to have an opportunity to engage
with the leaders at the same level. Vassy: Think about
it like this: It’s the only time you’ll ever
really see the leaders all together during
the campaign interacting and actually talking policy. If you didn’t have debates then
really all of you would have is the even stageier
and even more fake world of advertising, leaders tours
and public appearances designed to create positive impressions ♪ ♪ [ ♪♪♪ ]>>Vassy: WELCOME BACK YOU’RE WATCHING A SPECIAL EXTENDED EDITION OF “POWER & POLITICS”. I’M VAS COMPEL. WE’RE COMING TO YOU FROM THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY IN GATINEAU QUÉBEC. THERE’S A SHOT INSIDE, IMAGES FROM INSIDE THE ROOM IN WHICH THE FRENCH-LANGUAGE DEBATE LEADERS DEBATE, THE LAST DEBATE OF THIS FEDERAL ELECTION WILL TAKE PLACE IN JUST ABOUT 22 MINUTES. WE’RE COMING TO YOU ON “CBC NEWS NETWORK” AS WELL AS ON CBC GEM, YOUTUBE, TWITTER AND FACEBOOK. I’M STANDING BY WITH THE POWER PANEL AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS, SEND THEM IN, WHEREVER YOU’RE WATCHING, POST YOUR QUESTION ON THE COMMENT SECTION AND OUR POWER PANEL WILL AIM TO ANSWER IT OVER THE NEXT 22 MINUTES. I’M WITH MELISSA LANTSMAN, FRANCE BOIVIN AND MARIE VASTEL. LET’S PICK WORLD CUP — UP FROM THE SCENE INSIDE. THE FORMAT OF THE DEBATE ON MONDAY ENDED UP BEING QUITE A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION IN THE HOURS AND THE DAYS THAT FOLLOWED THE DEBATE. WE HAVE A QUESTION ON INSTAGRAM WE GOT FROM TINA. IS THERE ANY WAY THEY COULD STOP TALKING OVER ONE ANOTHER? THE FORMAT IN THIS DEBATE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THERE WILL BE A QUESTION FROM A CANADIAN, IT IS DIVIDED INTO FIVE SEGMENTS WHICH IS KIND OF SIMILAR TO BEFORE, BUT THERE ARE MORE TIME ESSENTIALLY FOR THREE OF THE CANDIDATES TO DEBATE EACH OTHER, THEN ANOTHER THREE. MORE KIND OF OPEN DEBATE. DO YOU ANTICIPATE IT WILL RUN INTO THE SAME ISSUES THAT MANY PEOPLE PERCEIVED WATCHING THE ONE ON MONDAY NIGHT?>>I THINK THE ONE ON MONDAY NIGHT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THE MODERATORS AND NOT ANY MODERATOR PARTICULARLY, THEY DID THE BEST THEY COULD WITH THE CIRCUMSTANCES THEY HAD. BUT WHEN YOU CHANGE MODERATORS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DEBATE, YOU CHANGE THE PACING OF THE DEBATE, YOU CHANGE HOW LEADERS INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER AND IT’S INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO PREPARE FOR WHEN YOU CAN’T FIND THAT ONE PERSON TO PLAY THE MODERATOR IN ANY WAY THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT NIGHT. SO HOPEFULLY THIS FORMAT IS BETTER, BECAUSE WHAT WAS REALLY SAD IS THE CANADIANS REALLY LOST OUT ON THAT NIGHT, WHEN WE SPENT MOST OF THE NEXT 24 HOURS TALKING ABOUT THE FORMAT AND HOW BADLY IT WAS AND HOW POORLY THE COMMISSION SET THAT DEBATE UP RATHER THAN ANY SORT OF POLICY OR ANY ISSUES THAT CANADIANS WOULD HAVE CARED ABOUT. THAT DEBATE GAVE ROOM FOR BASICALLY A DIGITAL GRAPHIC TYPE WIN. I’M SAYING IT SORT OF GAVE WAY TO THE ONE-LINERS WITH NO REAL FOLLOW-UP QUESTION AND HOPEFULLY PEOPLE CAN SPAR A BIT MORE TODAY AND DIVE DEEP INTO WHAT THEY WANT CANADIANS TO KNOW ABOUT THEIR PARTY.>>Vassy: THAT’S AN INTERESTING POINT, MARIE, THAT’S TRUE OF THE COVERAGE AFTER AND THE ANALYSIS AFTER. YOU SAW VERY MUCH A FOCUS ON THE LINES THAT WERE ABLE TO BE DELIVERED FREE FROM THE OBSTRUCTION OR THE IDEA OF PEOPLE TALKING OVER EACH OTHER, RIGHT? THE CLEARLY DELIVERED LINES WERE PICKED UP AND PUT OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO GRASP AND THAT IS THE IMPRESSION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE I IMAGINE WERE LEFT WITH. IT’S HARD TO AVOID THAT I THINK WITH SIX PEOPLE ON THE STAGE. >>WHAT’S INTERESTING IS I WAS CHATTING WITH THE CAMPAIGNS THIS AFTERNOON AHEAD OF THE CAMPAIGN, ONE OF THE CAMPAIGNS SUSPECTED ANOTHER ONE OF THE CAMPAIGNS — I WON’T SAY WHO — OF DELIBERATELY TALKING OVER THE LEADER IN ORDER TO RUIN THAT CLIP. SO GO BACK TO THE QUESTIONER’S QUESTION, I THINK THAT’S ON PURPOSE. IF THEY FEEL LIKE THERE’S AN ATTACK COMING AND JABS COMING, THEY’RE GOING TO TALK ALL OVER THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN’T END UP BEING THE SOCIAL MEDIA CLIP THAT PLAYS. OTHERWISE MELISSA IS RIGHT, ESSENTIALLY ON THIS DAY AND AGE AND ON THE NEWS, THEY PLAY THE GOOD EXCHANGES BETWEEN THE TWO LEADERS, THOSE CLIPS WHERE THEY BOTH WENT AT EACH OTHER OR ONE OF THEM HAD A REALLY GOOD ATTACK LINE ON ANOTHER ONE AND THEN THAT’S KIND OF WHAT YOU TAKE AWAY FROM THE DEBATE, RIGHT?>>Vassy: IT’S LIKE A FUNCTION OF LOGISTICS. I WILL BE TRANSPARENT, I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY A CLIP THAT PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND. IF THEY’RE SHOUTING OVER EACH OTHER, IT ILLUSTRATES THE POINT THAT THAT’S THE FORM THE DEBATE TOOK. AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE’RE DISCUSSING SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT WAS SAID, I NEED FOR THE VIEWERS TO HEAR IT. CLEARLY STRATEGISTS AND PEOPLE ORGANIZING THIS HAVE THAT — ARE AWARE OF THAT. >>THEY HAVE THAT IN MIND AND THEY KNOW FROM THE TOPIC AND THE THEME THAT THEY MIGHT BE A TARGET ON THAT ISSUE. BUT MAYBE BECAUSE OF THE FACT FOR A LOT OF THE LEADERS IF IT’S THEIR SECOND LANGUAGE, KIND OF HARD IF YOU’RE NOT USED TO ARGUING IN A LANGUAGE TO COME OUT WITH AN ATTACK. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY EXACTLY? MAYBE IN THE EXCHANGES WHERE THE LEADERS ARE IN THEIR SECOND LANGUAGE IT WILL ALLOW FOR A SLOWER PACE AND TAKE TIME TO SAY WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. THAT’S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ANDREW SCHEER. I FOUND JAGMEET DID WELL IN FRENCH. HE IMPRESSED A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH HIS LEVEL OF FRENCH IN HIS DEBATE. AND FOR ANDREW SCHEER, IF HE CAN TAKE HIS TIME AND BREAK IT DOWN TO SHORT SENTENCES TO GET HIS MESSAGE ACROSS, MAYBE HE’LL HAVE A BETTER SHOT AT IT.>>Vassy: THE FORMAT AT THE TVA DEBATE WAS LAUDED. PEOPLE SAID THERE WAS MORE — SEEMS LIKE THE KEY IS THE IDEA OF OPEN DEBATE BETWEEN THE LEADERS AND IT’S — TO MELISSA’S POINT — IT’S SOMEWHAT MODERATED. NOT ALL SIX. >>DON’T FORGET, THERE WERE JUST FOUR. THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. THERE WERE SIX PEOPLE ON THE STAGE, EVERYBODY IS VYING FOR THEIR LITTLE MINUTES. I SAID DIVIDE TWO HOURS BY SIX LEADERS, IT TELLS YOU HOW MUCH TIME THEY HAVE.>>Vassy: 20 MINUTES. >>WE HAD THEIR TEAM, JUST TALKED ABOUT THE PREPARATION SAYING YOU HAVE TO LAND THIS LINE, THIS LINE AND THIS LINE. YOU HAVE THE — YOU MIGHT BE ATTACKED ON THIS AND THIS, YOU HAVE TO ANSWER THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THEN SOMEBODY JUST THROWS YOU OFF BALANCE BY TALKING ON TOP OF YOU, THEY’LL ALWAYS — I’D SAD TO SAY TO YOUR VIEWER THAT IT IS REALLY ANNOYING IN MY LIVING ROOM I STOP THE SOUND, I JUST CAN’T STAND IT AND I LOOK AT THEIR BEHAVIOUR, JUST THE NON-VERBAL AND SO ON. BUT THAT’S WHAT THESE GUYS DO ALL THE TIME IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS. THEY TALK ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. SO THEY WON’T BE LESS RUDE WHEN THEY’RE IN A DEBATE, AND DON’T FORGET THAT THEIR TEAM PROBABLY SAID DON’T LET ANYONE TAKE ADVANTAGE ON YOU BECAUSE THEN YOU LOOK LIKE YOU’RE A CARPET THAT EVERYBODY CAN STAND ON AND STOMP ON. SO THEY HAVE ALL THESE THINGS, THEY LOOK CALM, JUST LOOK AT THEIR FACE, BUT THEY’RE THINKING OF ALL THESE CONCEPTS AND THEY TRY TO LAND PUNCHES.>>Vassy: AS YOU SAID, THE TVA DEBATE WAS A BIT MORE OPEN IN TERMS OF EXCHANGES AND DEBATES, AND TONIGHT SINCE –>>FACE TO FACE. >>Vassy: SINCE THEY’RE TRIOS INSTEAD OF ONE AND ONE, HOPEFULLY WE’LL SEE MORE OF THAT. >>AND THERE’S ONE MODERATOR.>>Vassy: FINAL QUESTION TO YOU MELISSA FROM INSTAGRAM. THIS GOES TO THE POINT THAT EVERYONE WAS MAKING, SO ZINGERS AFFECT THE WAY THE DEBATE GOES? ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE LANDING THE ILLUSIVE KNOCK-OUT PUNCH. DOES THAT FACTOR INTO THE WAY IN WHICH — THE TRAJECTORY THAT A DEBATE CAN TAKE?>>OF COURSE, IT’S PART OF THE STRATEGY, YOU WANT TO GET THAT CLIP FROM IMMEDIATE IN THE DIGITAL FIRST WORLD THAT WE’RE LIVING IN NOW. IF YOU’RE OVERFOCUSED ON THAT NO, MA’AM — NO, MA’AM-OUT PUNCH, YOU’RE NOT PRACTICING EVERYWHERE ELSE. IF YOU CAN CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE IT, THAT’S GREAT, YOU CAN PUMP IT OUT TO YOUR SUPPORTERS AND RAISE MONEY OFF OF IT. PUT LAWN SIGNS IN PEOPLE’S LAWNS OFF OF IT AND IT MAKES ITS WAY INTO THE STORIES AND THE HEADLINES NEXT DAY. PARTICULARLY IN A FRENCH DEBATE WHERE I THINK MUCH OF ENGLISH CANADA WON’T BE WATCHING AN AND THEY’LL LOOK FOR THE ANALYSIS AFTERWARDS. THE ZINGERS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT THEY RARELY HAPPEN. STAKING YOUR ENTIRE STRATEGY ON IT, NOT SUCH A GREAT IDEA.>>YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT OF CONVERSATION, THE IDEA OF ENGLISH CANADA AND HOW THEY WILL BE PERCEIVING THIS. THERE’S 14 MINUTES, JUST UNDER 15 MINUTES TO GO UNTIL THE DEBATE. WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM FACEBOOK, JAMES ASKS, HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT WILL THIS HAVE ON THE ELECTION OUTSIDE OF QUÉBEC. IT’S SUCH A GOOD QUESTION, WE’LL ANSWER THAT RIGHT AFTER THE QUICK COMMERCIAL BREAK. [ ♪♪♪ ] May: The science is clear. Your target is
a commitment to failure. That’s why it’s so
doable and achievable because it doesn’t do what
the IPCC says we must do. We must go off fossil fuels as
quickly as possible. And you bought a pipeline. You can’t be a climate
leader and spend 10 to 13 billion dollars
more on a project that by itself blows
through our carbon budget. [crosstalk] A slogan is
not a plan, Ms May. I-We have a plan! It is a unrealizable plan. Canadians need that action that is going
to actually make us better, fight climate change, protect the environment
and build a stronger economy for our kids. That’s what we have done
more over the past four years than any government in
the history of Canada. No, that’s not true. And there is much
more to do. There is much more to do. No-one remembers
Paul Martin’s plan in 2005, it was better. But the reality is… Over the past four years
we delivered on it. If you have a fire in four
storey building, getting a one storey ladder
doesn’t do it. Moderator: Mr Scheer? Scheer: Completely false
and just because you say something over and over and over
again doesn’t make it true. Trudeau: Nice of you
to learn that Mr Scheer. There is there is no Canadian
that believes that they’re gonna be better off by
paying a carbon tax. You have given a massive
exemption to the country’s largest polluters and your plan
is already failing. Singh: I want to say this
directly to Canadians, you do not need to choose
between Mr DeLay and Mr Deny. There is another option. There
is another option out there. We are committed to a real plan that is going to take
on the biggest polluters. It’s going to take on
the powerful interests, because that’s what
we need to do if we want to build
a better future. May: What is your target? Singh: It’s gonna mean taking
on the powerful. That means we’re
gonna have to cut our emissions by more than half. May: You need to have a plan
that is rooted in a target that saves our kid’s futures. Bernier: People must know that
Mr Scheer and Mr Trudeau you’re the same
on climate change. You want to impose
a carbon tax on Canadians and you want to impose more
costly more regulation– Trudeau: I think that’s the most
offensive thing you’ve said all night, Max, that we’re the same
on climate change. You want to impose also, a big
tax on the big emitters. So you’re the same
on climate change and you won’t be able
to achieve your target. I think the goal should be
down to almost nothing. Yeah. Not 13, not 16 –
almost nothing. And what do you
think about this idea of an equalization
based on gas emissions? Those who are over the average
emissions of Canada pay and those who
are under the average emissions get the money. The incentive is
for both parties. What we have to do
is work together and with all due respect,
that was the question I asked Mr Trudeau. Are any of you prepared to
accept the notion of changing status
quo decision making? So we form an internal
cabinet based on fighting the existential threat
of climate change. [crosstalk] [ ♪♪♪ ]>>Vassy: HI THERE, YOU’RE WATCHING A SPECIAL EXTENDED EDITION OF “POWER & POLITICS”. WE’RE COMING TO YOU ON “CBC NEWS NETWORK”, CBC GEM, YOUTUBE, FACEBOOK AND TWITTER. WE’RE ON SITE, 11 MINUTES TO GO FOR THE FINAL LEADERS DEBATE. THIS IS IN FRENCH, IT’S HAPPENING AT THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY IN GATINEAU. THE SAME PLACE IN MONDAY THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE DEBATE HAPPENED. MELISSA, I’LL PICK UP WITH YOU. THIS IS THE QUESTION THAT CAME FROM JAMES ON FACEBOOK, HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT WILL THIS DEBATE HAVE ON THE ELECTION OUTSIDE OF QUÉBEC?>>FOR THE DEBATE NIGHT HIGHWAY 22X — NIGHT ITSELF, I DON’T THINK A LOT. THE COVERAGE DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS AND YOU LEAVE A LOT IN THE HANDS OF LIVE TV. THE COVERAGE OF WHAT HAPPENS MIGHT PLAY A ROLE. IT SORT OF DEPENDS, IF WE’RE DISCUSSING ENERGY OR BILL 21 WHICH IS THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE PERMEATED OUTSIDE OF QUÉBEC AND IF ANY LEADER SORT OF IS MAGICAL IN IT, THAT WILL END UP ON A FRONT PAGE SOMEWHERE, IF ANY LEADER IS ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE, THAT MIGHT END UP HURTING THEM OUTSIDE OF QUÉBEC. I THINK THE ANSWER IS NOT REALLY.>>Vassy: FRANÇOISE, I IMAGINE THE ISSUES THAT MELISSA POINTS TO THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BREAKTHROUGH INTO COVERAGE OUTSIDE OF QUÉBEC INVOLVE ISSUES — ARE ISSUES WHERE THERE’S A CONTRAST BETWEEN THE POSITION QUÉBECERS HAVE TAKEN ON IT AND THE POSITION OF THE REST OF CANADA OR THE MAJORITY OF THE REST OF THE CANNED SHE POINTS TO THOSE ISSUES. IS THAT THE CASE TONIGHT? WHAT MAKES IT TRANSLATE TO ENGLISH CANADA?>>MY JURY IS STILL OUT ON IT BECAUSE IT’S ONE THING FOR WHAT THE MEDIA TALKING ABOUT — WE’RE ALL SAYING ABOUT BILL 21, BUT I’M NOT SO SURE THAT CANADIANS ARE ON THE SAME PAGE TOTALLY THAN THE MEDIA ON THE ACTUAL TOPIC. I THINK CANADIANS ARE TIRED OF THAT TOPIC. BECAUSE THAT’S SOMETHING THAT AT LEAST PRETTY MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY AGREES, IT’S IN QUÉBEC, QUÉBEC HAS DECIDED ON IT. IT’S IN FRONT OF THE COURTS, LET THE COURT DO THEIR THING — >>Vassy: THERE ARE LEADERS OUTSIDE, LIKE MAYOR NAHEED NENSHI WHO ARE SAYING WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IT.>>BUT THIS ELECTION, IF ELECTION 43 IS ONLY ABOUT BILL 21, BELIEVE YOU ME, I’M GOING INTO THE RIVER RIGHT AFTER THIS PANEL. THERE’S SO MANY OTHER THINGS, I MEAN, WE’RE TALKING — THERE’S A LITTLE “R” THAT NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT, RECESSION. NOT TO DEPRESS PEOPLE MORE THAN WITH BILL 21, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE AT THE HELM THAT WILL DO OTHER THINGS TO MAKE SURE THEY MANAGE OUR MONEY WELL. IT’S HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT CLIMATE EMERGENCY, WHATEVER PEOPLE SAY, IT’S NOT URGENT, THERE ARE MEASURES TO TAKE. WE BOUGHT — ALL CANADIANS ARE NOW PROUD OWNER OF A PIPELINE. WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT? SO MANY OTHER GOOD QUESTIONS — >>Vassy: SOMETIMES CAMPAIGNS COME DOWN TO LIKE THE NIQAB –>>THAT’S SAD IN, HAVING BEEN A VICTIM OF THE NIQAB. IT’S SAD, BECAUSE IN A LOT OF ASPECTS, IT WILL BE DIFFERENT. WE’LL SEE A VERY FREE ELECCTORATE TO GO WHEREVER THEY WANT TO GO. I DON’T THINK MANY OF THEM WILL BE IN QUÉBEC NEXT WEEK. I THINK IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW MANY LEADERS GO BACK TO QUÉBEC NEXT WEEK. I THINK THEY HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO DO IN THE WEST, IN BC AND ATLANTIC CANADA, IN ONTARIO.>>IT’S INTERESTING BECAUSE FROM THE BEGIN OF THE CAMPAIGN, I THINK A LOT OF US STRUGGLED TO SAY WHAT IS THE BALLOT QUESTION? WHAT IS THE BALLOT QUESTION? WE CERTAINLY KNEW BILL 21 WOULD BE THERE. WE MENTIONED THE FACT THAT IT TOOK WITH THE PREMIER OF QUÉBEC A LOT MORE SPACE, BUT IT’S SO — I FIND FRANÇOISE’S KIND OF SHOCK IN THE SENSE FOR ME I’M NOT SURE WHY WE’RE NOT REMEMBERING THE FATE OF BILL 21 DOES NOT LIE IN THE HANDS OF FEDERAL LEADERS. IT LIES IN THE HANDS OF THE COURTS RIGHT NOW. IT’S NOT TO MINIMIZE HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT IT AND THE EMOTION OF IT, BUT IN TERMS OF THE POLITICAL RESULT OF IT, IT’S ACTUALLY A JUDICIAL ONE RIGHT NOW.>>Vassy: POLITICALLY, THE QUESTION HAS BEEN PUT TO THEM BECAUSE THEY — IT FORCES THEM TO ARTICULATE A POSITION AND THEY HAVEN’T. >>SURE.>>Vassy: THEY’RE TRYING TO PLAY BOTH SIDES.>>I MEAN, PEOPLE CANNOT BE SATISFIED WITH THEIR POSITION AND NOT CLARIFY IT ENOUGH. THAT’S FINE. BUT ONCE IT’S BEEN THERE, I MEAN, THERE HAS TO BE ALSO OTHER TOPICS THAT WOULD BE A POINT OF IT. AS FOR OTHER PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF QUÉBEC — I GUESS I’M NOT THE RIGHT PERSON TO TALK ABOUT THAT. IF I WERE THEM OR TALKING TO MY FAMILY — >>Vassy: THOSE ARE THE MODERATORS THERE, THEY’RE CYCLING THROUGH RIGHT NOW VARIOUS PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE DEBATE AND WE CALL THEM PHOTO OPPS AS YOU CAN SEE. THE MODERATORS WILL BE THERE AND THE LEADERS WILL FOLLOW IN A FEW MINUTES. SORRY TO INTERRUPT. >>IT’S OKAY. I GUESS I WOULD KIND OF FEEL LICK — LIKE MY ELECTION IS HIJACKED BY QUÉBEC. I THINK MY ISSUES MATTER AS WELL AND I WANT TO HEAR WHAT’S HAPPENING. IN TERMS OF THE FEDERATION, I FIND IT’S BEEN A VERY QUÉBEC CENTRIC FEDERAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN.>>FRANCOIS LEGAULT STARTED –>>WITH RESPECT TO THAT. SO I’M THINKING PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW THE DEBATE ON THE DEBATE, BECAUSE THERE’S ALWAYS A DEBATE ON HOW PEOPLE DID AFTERWARDS, AND IT DOES HAVE AN EFFECT BECAUSE WE SAW THE FRENCH LANGUAGE DEBATE WHEN ANDREW SCHEER WAS AT THE FRONT PAGE OF A VERY REVVED UP — >>Vassy: BOTH DEBATES SO FAR. >>YEAH, ON THE FRONT PAGE OF A NEWSPAPER. SAYING THAT HE DID POORLY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE RETWEETED THAT. THAT DID ALSO HAVE AN IMPACT NEGATIVELY ON THE POLLS FOR THEM. IT IS IMPORTANT.>>Marcia: MARIE, FINAL WORD TO YOU. >>IT’S ON NARRATIVE WHO DID WELL, WHO DID BAD. THAT PERCOLATES, EVEN IF YOU DIDN’T FOLLOW THE DEBATE CLOSELY, IT PERCOLATES IN PEOPLE’S MINDS. THERE’S TEN DAYS UNTIL THE VOTING DAY, UNLESS YOU’RE VOTING ADVANCED POLLING BUT FOR THE REST OF PEOPLE, SO IT CAN STILL I THINK CEMENT THE WAY YOU WANTED TO VOTE OR MAKE YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND. ALSO NO ONE WANTS TO VOTE FOR A LOOSER. IF ONE OF THEM DID POORLY AND PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THEY’RE DOING POORLY IN THE POLLS, THAT MIGHT MAKE PEOPLE THINK TWICE ABOUT THE VOTE. TO THINK, YES, IT WAS A SÛRETÉ du QUÉBEC CENTRIC ELECTION AND IT MIGHT BOTHER PEOPLE IN THE REST OF CANADA, I THINK WHAT IS SAID TONIGHT IN THAT ROOM, IN THAT MUSEUM, WILL BE HAVING TO SEE IF THEY GET THEMSELVES INTO TROUBLE, BY TRYING TO COURT QUÉBEC VOTERS, BY TRYING TO COURT FRANCOPHONE VOTERS, DO THEY SAY SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS BOTHERS VOTERS OUTSIDE OF QUÉBEC ON PIPELINES, ON QUÉBEC’S AWE ON THE MY TO DECIDE ON THINGS LIKE IMMIGRATION, ON BILL # 1. YOU’RE RIGHT THAT BILL 21 SHOULDN’T BE A FEDERAL ISSUE. I THINK ON BILL 21, ON THE NIQAB IN 2015, THOSE ARE THINGS WHERE THE PEOPLE LOOK AT THE LEADERS AND WONDER WHAT IS THE LEADERSHIP, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO TO STAND UP FOR THE CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS. THAT’S HOW THEY POSITION THEMSELVES.>>Vassy: THERE COME THE LEADERS RIGHT NOW. IF YOU’RE OUTSIDE OF QUÉBEC AND YOU WANT TO WATCH THIS DEBATE, WE’RE CARRYING IT LIVE IN JUST UNDER 4 MINUTES ON “CBC NEWS NETWORK.” AND WE WILL HAVE A FULLY TRANSLATED DEBATE. THERE ARE THE LEADERS COMING UP TO THE PODIUMS RIGHT NOW I BELIEVE FOR A PHOTO OP. WE’VE GOT LEBEL LEADER JUSTIN TRUDEAU, ELIZABETH MS. MAY, GREEN PARTY, AS WELL AS NDP LEADER JAGMEET SINGH THERE. THE POSITIONING IS INTERESTING. OF COURSE IT SEEMED TO AFFECT A LOT OF THE DYNAMICS IN THE DEBATE ON MONDAY NIGHT AND WHO ENDED UP TALKING OVER TWO AND WHO WAS FACING OFF AGAINST WHO. YOU HAVE TO WONDER HOW THAT MIGHT AFFECT THE EVENT TONIGHT, THE DEBATE TONIGHT. WE’RE OF COURSE JUST OVER 3 MINUTES AWAY. I HAVE TIME FOR A FINAL THOUGHT FROM EACH OF YOU. ONE THING YOU’RE WATCHING FOR THREE MINUTES TO GO. ONE THING YOU WILL BE WATCHING FOR TONIGHT, MELISSA?>>OH, CERTAINLY WATCHING FOR THE ONE LEADER THAT CAN ACTUALLY FRANKLY SPEAK TO QUÉBECERS. I THINK THIS DEBATE HAS MUCH IMPORTANCE IN QUÉBEC AND NOT SO MUCH OUTSIDE OF QUÉBEC, OTHER THAN THAT. WE’LL SEE WHO ACTUALLY SPEAKS TO QUÉBECERS ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT AND IT’S REALLY NOTHING MORE THAN THAT.>>Vassy: FRANÇOISE?>>PRETTY MUCH THE SAME, AND I’LL SEE IF ANDREW SCHEER COMES UP LIVELY A BIT TONIGHT. IS MOSTLY WHAT I’M GOING TO LOOK AT. AND IF YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET BEING A BIT FOR ATTACKED, WHAT TYPE OF REACTION HE’S GOING TO GET. I SEE THE CROWD WAS LIVELY TOWARDS Mr. TRUDEAU AND Mr. SCHEER. SO WE’LL SEE HOW THE CROWD REACTS EVEN THOUGH WE SAY YOU’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO APPLAUD.>>Vassy: I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT.>>IT’S FASCINATING TO HEAR THE WOO-HOO FOR THE BIG LEADERS AND NOT SO MUCH FOR THE OTHERS. MAYBE BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T FILL THE ROOM, LESS ORGANIZATIONS.>>I’M GOING TO BE WATCHING TO SEE IF JUSTIN TRUDEAU TAKES THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT WITH QUÉBECERS WITH A DIRECT MESSAGE AND IF YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET CAN TAKE THE HEAT. HE’S GOING TO BE UNDER SPOTLIGHT TONIGHT. >>I’LL LOOK TO WHO IS MORE COMFORTABLE. SOME OF THEM WERE NOT COMFORTABLE IN TVA DEBATE PARTLY BECAUSE OF LANGUAGE. WHO IS MORE COMFORTABLE AND WHO IS ABLE TO GET THEIR POINTS ACROSS, PRESENT THEIR PLATFORMS BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE STILL DON’T KNOW WHICH PARTY OFFERS WHAT. BUT ALSO IS ABLE TO TRY TO STOP THEIR OPPONENT’S MOMENTUM.>>Vassy: THANK YOU TO THE POWER PANEL. THANK YOU FOR STICKING WITH US FOR THREE HOURS. THANK YOU ALL. I SHOULD NOTE, WE’RE JUST OVER A MINUTE AWAY. THEY WILL JOIN ME AGAIN, FOR THE MOST PART, MARIE HAS TO WORK AND FILE HER STORIES. THEY WILL JOIN ME AFTER THE DEBATE AT 10 O’CLOCK EASTERN, WHERE WE WILL OFFER YOU ANALYSIS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AND ALSO OF COURSE CARRY THE SCRUMS. SO THE CHANCE THAT ALL THE LEADERS HAVE FOLLOWING THE DEBATE TO ADDRESS REPORTERS. THEY’LL SPEAK FOR 10 MINUTES, AFTER THAT WE’LL TAKE ALL OF THOSE LIVE TO YOU AS WELL. ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING AN EXTENDED EPISODE OF “POWER & POLITICS” FROM THE MUSEUM IN GATINEAU QUÉBEC. THIS IS WHERE THE FRENCH LANGUAGE OFFICIAL DEBATE WILL TAKE PLACE. THIS IS THE LAST DEBATE, THE LAST TIME ALL SIX FEDERAL PARTY LEADERS WILL BE ABLE TO FACE OFF AGAINST EACH OTHER IN THIS ELECTION CAMPAIGN. AND IT IS A CLOSE CAMPAIGN. IN FACT, THE TWO LEAD PARTIES, THE CONSERVATIVES AND THE LIBERALS, HAVE BEEN VIRTUALLY TIED SINCE DAY ONE FOUR WEEKS AGO AND IN QUÉBEC VERY MUCH WHERE MUCH OF THIS DEBATE IS AIMED, A DIFFERENT PICTURE. THE BLOC QUÉBECOIS HAS SEEN A RE RESURGENS. 10 SECONDS LEFT, WE’LL SEE YOU RIGHT AFTER THEYVES-FRANCOIS BL. PARTI QUEBECOIS. [Speaking French] – Nous sommes prêts! Le voit avec le plus de plus de pouvoir que c’est un. – Les autres parties ont de bonnes raisons d’avoir peur de nous. – Les par un choix, quelles actions veulent prendre le pays. – En direct du musée canadien de l’histoire à Gatineau, le partenariat canadien pour la protection des débats vous présente le débat des chefs 2019. Voici Patrice Roy. – Bonsoir et bienvenue à ce débat des chefs. Bonsoir à tous. Vos places sur la scène et l’ordre de parole ont été déterminé au hasard. Cinq thèmes seront abordés ce soir, chaque thème sera lancé par une question d’un citoyen en direct après la réponse des chefs, il y aura de confrontation à trois, puis des questions rafale des journées stabilité. Il y a des citoyens ici au musée de l’histoire à Gatineau, on vous remercie d’être ici. Partout à travers le pays, des rassemblements ont été organisés. C’est le dernier débat de cette campagne, vous le savez, je compte sur vous, pour nous donner des réponses claires et surtout ne pas tous parlaient en même temps. J’y veillerai. D’ailleurs, vous verrez parfois apparaître le temps de parole cumulatif des chefs. Madame, Messieurs, bon débat. ENJOY THE DEBATE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.>>Translator: ENVIRONMENT AND ENERGY. WE’RE GOING TO START THIS IN TROIS-RIVIERES THIS EVENING WITH A QUESTION FROM ELIZABETH. GOOD EVENING.>>GOOD EVENING.>>THE LEADERS ARE LISTENING TO YOU. TELL US YOUR QUESTION.>>IN AN ERA WHERE WE ARE INCREASINGLY CONCERNED WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND WHERE THE U.N. HAS DECLARED A CLIMATE EMERGENCY, IT HAS BECOME ESSENTIAL THAT WE DO WHAT IT TAKES TO CAPTURE THIS CRISIS. MY QUESTION IS AS FOLLOWS, KNOWING THAT IF WE DO NOT ACT NOW WE WILL REACH THE POINT OF NO RETURN, SO WHAT IS THE FIRST CONCRETE THING YOU WILL DO TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE?>>FOR YOUR QUESTION, IT’S A QUESTION THAT WE’RE HEARING FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE’RE HEARD IT AS WE’VE CROSSED THE COUNTRY AND PEOPLE ARE TELLING US THAT THE FUTURE OF THEIR CHILDREN, THE FUTURE OF THE ENVIRONMENT, THE FIGHT AGAINST CLIMATE CHANGE IS ESSENTIAL. AND WE HAVE DONE A LOT IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, BUT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. AND WE NEED TO STAND UP TO CONSERVATIVES LIKE JASON KENNEY AND DOUG FORD, AND THE OIL BARONS WHO ARE SUPPORTING HIM TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT AGAINST CLIMATE CHANGE AND BUILD A BETTER WORLD. THAT IS WHY THE CHOICE YOU’RE MAKING TONIGHT IS SO IMPORTANT. I TRUST CANADIANS. I TRUST WE WILL MOVE FORWARD.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. TRUDEAU.>>GOOD EVENING, THE OTHER PARTIES WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY WILL MEET THE TARGETS UNDER THE PARIS ACCORD BUT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO REACH THEM BECAUSE THEY’D HAVE TO IMPOSE A TAX ON CARBON TO THE TUNE OF 300 TONNES. AND THEY CAN’T DO THAT. THEY SAY THEY’RE GOING TO SAVE THE WORLD, SAVE THE CLIMATE. CANADA’S GLOBAL CARBON EMISSIONS ONLY AMOUNT TO 2% OF THE TOTAL WORLD EMISSIONS. SO IN THE PEOPLE’S PARTY OF CANADA WE WANT TO TAKE CONCRETE STEPS SO THAT OUR WATER AND AIR ARE FREE OF POLLUTION. WE WANT TO TAKE STEPS TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT AND NOT BE HYPOCRITICAL LIKE THE OTHER LEADERS HERE ON THE STAGE REGARDING CLIMATE CHANGE. THEY DON’T HAVE A SOLUTION.>>THAT’S A HUGE ISSUE. I KNOW THAT IN QUÉBEC THERE HAS BEEN SEVERE FLOODING. THERE HAVE BEEN FOREST FIRES. IT’S A REAL FIGHT WE’RE DEALING WITH NOW. WHAT WE’RE PROPOSING NOW IS NOT TO PURCHASE A PIPELINE LIKE MR. TRUDEAU DID. WE WANT TO END SUBSIDIES TO THE OIL PATCH. THAT IS A STEP WE’RE WILLING TO TAKE IMMEDIATELY. AND WE WANT TO REINVEST THAT MONEY IN RENEWABLE ENERGY, CLEAN ENERGY. AND WE WANT TO INVEST MASSIVELY IN PUBLIC TRANSIT. THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO, IT’S JUST A QUESTION OF HAVING THE COURAGE AND WE HAVE THAT COURAGE.>>MR. SCHEER.>>THE ENVIRONMENT IS ONE OF THE PILLARS OF THIS CAMPAIGN. AS A FATHER OF FIVE CHILDREN I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEXT GENERATION WILL HAVE A CLEANER ENVIRONMENT THAN THAT WHICH WE INHERITED OURSELVES. CONTRARY TO WHAT MR. TRUDEAU CLAIMS ON THIS FILE, HIS PLAN IS A FAILURE. ONE OF THE FIRST DECISIONS HE MADE AS PRIME MINISTER WAS TO AUTHORIZE 8 BILLION LITRES OF WASTE WATER TO BE SPILLED INTO OUR RIVERS. WE’LL END THIS BECAUSE WE’RE NOW IN 2019.>>THANK YOU, MR. SCHEER.>>GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR WELCOMING US TONIGHT. THEY ARE DEFINITELY MANY MEASURES THAT CAN BE UNDERTAKEN. LET ME MENTION A FEW. I THINK THAT PARLIAMENT SHOULD, THROUGH A LAW, AS MR. SINGH SAID, WE SHOULD STOP SUBSIDIZING BIG OIL. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT $10 BILLION A YEAR BASED ON A STUDY. THAT MIGHT BE RINGING A BELL, MR. TRUDEAU. AND THIS WOULD LEAD CANADA TO RESPECT ITS TARGETS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE 2009 TARGETS OF MR. SCHEER BECAME THE 2015 TARGETS OF MR. TRUDEAU. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN OBTAINED.>>MS. MAY.>>THANK YOU.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): YOU ARE RIGHT WHAT YOU SAID IS TRUE. WE ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE POINT OF NO RETURN. WE HAVE TO AVOID THE WORST SCENARIO. THE GREEN PARTY IS THE ONLY PARTY THAT HAS A PLATFORM THAT IS IN LINE WITH THE ADVICE OF THE IPCC SCIENTISTS. WE KNOW THAT IT IS ESSENTIAL TO CREATE A WAR CABINET LIKE THE ONE THAT WAS DURING WORLD WAR II. WE MUST WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET OFF FOSSIL FUELS, STOP OUR DEPENDENCE AND WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR ECONOMY INTO A GREEN ECONOMY.>>I HOPE THIS WAS INFORMATIVE. AND THOSE ARE THE RESPONSES THEY GIVE YOU. THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING TONIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO THE FIRST THREE-WAY DEBATE. THERE WILL BE MS. MAY, MR. TRUDEAU AND MR. BLANCHET.>>SINCE THE PROTOCOL, THE PARLIAMENTARY BUDGET OFFICER HAS ESTIMATED THAT THE CARBON TAX, WHICH IS $20 PER TONNE, MUST CLIMB TO $102. THAT’S 23 CENTS EXTRA FOR A LITRE OF GAS. MR. BLANCHET, YOU AGREE WITH IT. MR. TRUDEAU, ARE YOU WAITING FOR AFTER THE ELECTIONS TO DISCLOSE YOUR PRICE?>>WE HAVE A PLAN TO INCREASE THAT PRICE TO $50 A TONNE IN 2022. BUT THESE NUMBERS, 100, $200 A TONNE, THAT’S IF NOTHING ELSE IS DONE OTHER THAN A PRICE ON POLLUTION. WE HAVE CHOSEN TO PUT IN PLACE A WIDE RANGE OF MEASURES TO PROTECT NATURE. TO INVEST IN ENDING COAL ENERGY PRODUCTION. TO END THE USE OF SINGLE-USE PLASTICS. TO PLANT TWO BILLION TREES. WE KNOW IT’S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF EFFORT TO DO ALL THIS, BUT WE’RE GOING TO DO THESE THINGS BECAUSE WE’VE ALREADY DONE MORE THAN ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT IN THIS COUNTRY TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE.>>THANK YOU, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT’S NOT ENOUGH TO JUST TALK ABOUT A PRICE ON CARBON. WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE TARGETS THAT ARE ALIGNED WITH THE SCIENTIFIC ADVICE. RIGHT NOW, IT’S 30% OF 2005 LEVELS BY 2030 THAT MR. TRUDEAU’S TARGET, WHICH IS THE SAME AS MR. HARPER’S TARGET. IT’S NOT ENOUGH. WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN TO ELIMINATE FOSSIL FUEL BY 2050. AND BY 2030, WE HAVE TO HAVE A TARGET OF 60% REDUCTION OF GREENHOUSE GASES AND IT IS POSSIBLE, IT’S CALLED MISSION POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT IS POSSIBLE. IT’S NOT EASY, BUT IT’S POSSIBLE. IT’S NOT JUST FOR THE CARBON TAX.>>I THINK WE SHOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC, YES. IN THE END, IT SHOULD BE THAT THE ONLY OIL WE USE IS OIL THAT IS NOT BURNED. IT MUST BE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. LET’S PUT A DATE ON THAT. THE TIME FRAME FOR IT. AND THEN WE NEED TO SEE HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO CUT DOWN ON EXTRACTION. LET’S NOT TALK ABOUT MEASURES IN 2025, 2030. WHAT ARE THE TARGETS? 3% NEXT YEAR, 3% AFTER THAT. AND THAT ALSO PERTAINS TO GETTING ALL THE — ALL THE OIL THAT IS IN THE SOIL OF ALBERTA.>>WE PROPOSE A GREEN EQUALIZATION. WE HAVE AN AVERAGE IN CANADA. THE PROVINCES THAT POLLUTE MORE, THE MOST, AND THE BEST PERFORMERS –>>THIS INITIATIVE, MR. BLANCHET, HIGHLIGHTS ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES THAT YOU HAVE AS LEADER OF THE BLOC QUEBECOIS WITH WHICH IS YOU NEED A GOVERNMENT READY TO STAND UP TO JASON KENNEY, TO THE OIL COMPANIES AND DOUG FORDS AND ALL THE CONSERVATIVES THAT DON’T WANT TO DO ANYTHING. THERE ARE FOUR OF US HERE WHO WILL PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT. OUR GOVERNMENT HAS DONE A LOT OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS. WE KNOW WE NEED TO KEEP GOING. IT’S IMPORTANT THAT QUÉBECERS, FRANCOPHONES AND CANADIANS BE PART OF A GOVERNMENT THAT WANTS TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE.>>THE REALITY IS THAT THE SITUATION RIGHT NOW IS A CLIMATE EMERGENCY. WE HAVE TO MOVE QUICKLY AND NOW ALL OF THE OTHER LEADERS HERE, THERE IS NO ONE WHO HAS A WORKABLE PLAN TO AVOID THE SCENARIO. GRETA THUNBERG IS RIGHT, OUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE. HOW DARE YOU?>>IN TERMS OF THE PIPELINE, MR. SCHEER WAS CLEAR HE COULD FORCE EAST PIPELINE ON QUÉBEC, BUT YOU WEREN’T CLEAR. THERE COULD BE A PROJECT TOMORROW MORNING ON THE TABLE. MR. TRUDEAU, WOULD YOU IMPOSE A PIPELINE OR NOT?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): THAT’S PART OF A PROCESS THAT REQUIRES WE HAVE APPROVAL FOR INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY TO LOOK AT THE IMPACT AND WE’LL MOVE FORWARD THE SAME WAY WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE TRANS MOUNTAIN PIPELINE, TO TRY TO GET APPROVAL AND DO IT IN A SCIENTIFIC WAY. PEOPLE KNOW WE CAN’T HAVE MORE OIL BY RAIL. IT’S DANGEROUS AND POLLUTES A LOT. WE NEED TO PUT THE PROFITS FROM WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE TRANSITION ISN’T GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW, WE NEED TO PUT THE PROJECT TOWARD GREEN ENERGY AND CLIMATE CHANGE AND EVERY DOLLAR OF PROFIT GOES TO GREEN INITIATIVES.>>MR. TRUDEAU, YOU ARE PROPOSING TO USE PUBLIC FUNDS FOR A PIPELINE IN A SITUATION OF CRISIS. IT’S A CLIMATE EMERGENCY. WE HAVE TO STOP ALL PIPELINES. WE HAVE TO STOP SHALE GAS EVERYWHERE IN CANADA. IF WE HAVE JUST THIS CHANCE TO AVOID THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO. THAT IS WHAT THE SCIENTISTS ARE TELLING US. THIS IS NOT A QUESTION OF POLITICAL TARGETS. THIS IS A QUESTION OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.>>QUÉBEC DOES — WILL YOU TELL QUÉBEC, THERE WILL BE NO PIPELINE IN QUÉBEC? SECOND THING, IF WE MAKE PROPOSALS AND YOU FUNDED YOUR GOOD PROPOSALS, YOU SAID WE CAN IMPLEMENT IT, WILL YOU VOTE IN FAVOUR?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE’VE CREATED A SYSTEM WITH C-69 WHICH ALLOWS US TO GET APPROVAL FOR GOOD PROJECTS. AND BAD PROJECTS WON’T MOVE AHEAD.>>A GOOD PROJECT COULD MOVE AHEAD.>>SO YOU WOULD OPPOSE IT?>>LISTEN, IT’S — BETTER THAN HAVING MORE OIL BY RAIL.>>MR. SINGH, MR. BERNIER AND MR. SCHEER. WE’RE GOING TO MOVE ON — CONTINUE WITH THE PIPELINES, BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THIS. THE LEGAULT GOVERNMENT HAS REPEATED THAT IN QUÉBEC THERE IS NO SOCIAL LICENCE. MR. BERNIER, MR. SCHEER, YOU’RE IN FAVOUR OF A PIPELINE. AND YOU SAY THAT YOUR RIGHTS UNDER THE CANADIAN CONSTITUTION, BUT DO YOU NOT FEAR BACKLASH AND ANTI-CANADIAN SENTIMENTS IN QUÉBEC OR ANTI-QUÉBEC SENTIMENT IF YOU IMPOSE A PIPELINE.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THAT IS THE REASON FOR WHICH I PUT FORWARD THE IDEA FOR AN ENERGY CORRIDOR, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT QUÉBEC WOULD PREFER HOMEMADE CANADIAN ENERGY. A LOT OF QUÉBEC’S ENERGY GOES TO THE UNITED STATES AND THEY BUY GAS AND — FROM THE UNITED STATES. I WANT CANADA TO SHARE ITS OWN NATURAL RESOURCES FROM WEST TO EAST. IT’S THE BEST OPTION FOR CANADIANS AND QUÉBECERS.>>THE ENERGY CORE DO THAT MR. SCHEER IS PROPOSING IS GOING TO TAKE YEARS TO BUILD. WE URGENTLY NEED A PIPELINE. YOU’RE RIGHT ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION AND CONSTITUTIONAL PEACE AND THE NATION’S UNITY. THAT’S WHY ALBERTANS ARE CALLING FOR THE RIGHT TO EXPORT THEIR OIL TO OTHER MARKETS, IN ADDITION TO THE U.S. MARKET. I DON’T THINK THAT MR. SCHEER WILL IN FACT GO TO THE CONSTITUTION TO FORCE THE CONSTRUCTION OF PIPELINES, BUT MR. TRUDEAU AND MR. SCHEER HAVE THE SAME STANCE ON CLIMATE CHANGE. MR. SCHEER WILL PUT BIG PRICE ON BIG POLLUTERS. AND WE SAY THAT WE’RE GOING TO LEAVE THIS UP TO THE PROVINCES. QUÉBEC IS DOING VERY WELL. WE SHOULD LEAVE IT UP TO THE PROVINCES TO TAKE FIRM ACTION ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.>>SUM THE SITUATION UP HERE FOR VIEWERS. THIS IS MR. PIPELINE AND THIS IS MR. PIPELINE II AND MR. TRUDEAU, NOT SO SURE. BUT I’M JAGMEET SINGH. I WILL NEVER FORCE A PIPELINE ON QUÉBEC. THAT IS CLEAR.>>MR. SCHEER?>>THE CURRENT PLAN PUT FORWARD BY MR. TRUDEAU WAS TO GIVE HUGE EXEMPTIONS FOR LARGE POLLUTERS. LARGE COMPANIES HAVE A SPECIAL AGREEMENT WITH GOVERNMENT. THERE ARE NO TAXES IN MY PLAN.>>HOLD ON, HOLD ON. YOU PLACE A MASSIVE EXEMPTION ON THE BIGGEST EMITTERS.>>YOU WILL NOT WIN ANYTHING WITH MY PLAN. CANADIANS –>>SEE Nous ne voulons investir dans les technologies, nous allons prendre la lutte contre les changements climatiques dans un contexte global, c’est la chose qui manque dans toutes les plates-formes. – Dans un contexte global, M. Scheer de prendre la voix des Canadiens pour faire en sorte de lutter contre les changements climatiques dans d’autres pays. Donner encore des millions et des milliards de dollars pour lutter contre les changements climatiques ailleurs. Le plus important, c’est s’assurer que l’entraînement ici au Canada soit protégé. Aujourd’hui, on encore 215 milliards de litres d’eaux usées qui sont déversées dans nos rivières, dans nos langue innue océans. C’est une augmentation de 10 % par rapport à 2013, il faut corriger ça et investir ici pour les Canadiens et pour le Canada et non pas l’étranger. – On a eu 500 000 enfants dans les rues à Montréal. Les jeunes disent qu’il faut agir dès maintenant. On a M. Trudeau qui, grand parleur, mais en fait, c’est un petit faiseur. Il ne marche pas pour les gens, ne travaille pas pour les gens. Ce qu’il faut, c’est donner aux jeunes de l’espoir. On peut dire que oui, on peut aller de l’avant pour annuler>>WE CAN GET RID OF SUBSIDIES TO THE OIL PATCH. WE CAN REINVEST IN CLEAN ENERGY. WE CAN INVEST IN PUBLIC TRANSIT. WE HAVE TO ACT RIGHT NOW.>>MR. SCHEER, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU TO RELAUNCH THE DEBATE. YOU WANT TO ABOLISH THE CARBON TAX. IS IT NOT LIKE GRANTING PEOPLE A PERMIT TO POLLUTE FOR LIFE?>>ABSOLUTELY NOT. IT DOESN’T GIVE THEM FREE REIN. THERE IS NO PRICE ON CARBON IN QUÉBEC. THERE IS A CAP-AND-TRADE SYSTEM IN QUÉBEC THAT QUÉBEC HAS SELF-INSTITUTED. YOU’RE RIGHT. THE ENVIRONMENT IS A JURISDICTION BETWEEN THE PROVINCES AND UNDER THE PEOPLE’S PARTY OF CANADA PLAN, WE WILL LEAVE IT UP TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO MAKE SURE OUR WATERWAYS ARE CLEAN. IT’S INCREDIBLE, THE CITY OF MONTREAL AND THE CITY OF VANCOUVER HAD TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST THIS RAW SEWAGE BEING DUMPED IN THEIR WATER. WE WANT TO CLEAN –>>WHAT IS CLEAR IS THAT THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT’S PLAN, MR. TRUDEAU GAVE HUGE EXEMPTIONS TO THE BIGGEST POLLUTERS. SO WHEN HE PUT A PRICE ON CARBON, IT WASN’T FOR BIG POLLUTERS, IT WAS FOR EVERYONE. THAT’S THE PROBLEM WITH THE APPROACH. MY APPROACH WILL FOCUS ON TECHNOLOGY THROUGH TAXATION. NOT TAXATION, RATHER.>>THE PROBLEM WITH MR. SCHEER, YOUR PLAN WAS WRITTEN FOR INDUSTRY. THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.>>THAT ENDS OUR THREE-WAY DEBATE. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR DISCIPLINE. EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL UP UNTIL NOW. GOOD EVENING. YOUR QUESTION.>>MS. MAY, I’LL BEGIN WITH YOU. DO YOU WANT TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS IN A DRASTIC IN CANADA. YOU SAID SO EARLIER. I’LL ASK YOU THE QUESTION DIRECTLY. WOULD YOU NOT OBJECT TO AN ECONOMIC DOWNTURN IN CANADA AND PEOPLE SAY THIS COULD LEAD TO THOUSANDS OF LOST JOBS.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): THANK YOU, MR. CARDINAL. THAT IS A VERY RELEVANT QUESTION. NO, I’M NOT IN FAVOUR OF THE SHRINKING OF THE ECONOMY, BUT I AM IN FAVOUR OF TRANSFORMATION OF THE CANADIAN ECONOMY. BECAUSE AS MR. SCHEER SAID, WE NEED A CORRIDOR, A NATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT NOT FOR PIPELINES, ONLY FOR DECARBONIZED ELECTRICITY WITH A GROWTH IN OUR CAPACITY TO USE RENEWABLE ENERGY, WIND ENERGY AS WELL. SOLAR ENERGY. WE HAVE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES WITH –>>THANK YOU, MS. MAY. NEXT QUESTION FOR MR. BLANCHET. A BRIEF QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU SAID YOU’RE VERY PROUD OF YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL PLATFORM. YOU TALKED ABOUT GREEN EQUALIZATION. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN YOUR SUPPORT TO THE THIRD LINK BETWEEN QUÉBEC CITY AND –?>>FIRST, I DIDN’T NO SUPPORT THE THIRD LINK. I SAID I WAS NOT AGAINST, I DID NOT SAY I WAS IN FAVOUR EITHER. FIRST, THE ENVIRONMENT MINISTER ASKED FOR ASSESSMENT. I’VE BEEN ENVIRONMENT MINISTER. IF YOU ASK — AND BY THE WAY, WE WOULD LIKE THIS INSTITUTION TO HAVE PRECEDENT OVER FEDERAL. IF WE ASK THE INSTITUTION TO ASSESS THE PROJECT, LET’S WAIT FOR THE RESULT AND ULTIMATELY, THE THIRD LINK IS OF QUÉBEC’S GOVERNMENT PURVIEW. OUT OF FEDERAL’S PURVIEW. THERE IS INTERFERENCE ALL THE TIME FROM THE FEDERAL. THEY’RE IRRITATING –>>THANK YOU, MR. SCHEER. YOU BELIEVE IN FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE, BUT YOU ALWAYS SAY IT IS ON CONDITION THAT IT HAPPENS GLOBALLY. IS THIS NOT A CONVENIENT WAY OF ASKING OTHER COUNTRIES TO DO THEIR PART WHILE CANADA CONTINUES TO POLLUTE?>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): NOT AT ALL. WITH MY PLAN, WE HAVE A BALANCED APPROACH. WE HAVE A WHOLE RANGE OF MEASURES TO REDUCE OUR EMISSIONS. FOR EXAMPLE, THROUGH INVESTING IN TECHNOLOGY, THROUGH A TAX CREDIT FOR CORPORATIONS AND BUSINESSES THAT ADOPT NEW PRODUCTION METHODS. BUT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT CANADA EMITS ONLY 1.6% OF GLOBAL EMISSIONS. IF WE CHASE INVESTMENTS OUT OF CANADA, LIFE WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE FOR ALL CANADIANS. CHINA AND INDIA’S ECONOMIES WILL REPLACE OUR EMISSIONS. WHICH WILL BE USED –>>THANK YOU, MR. SCHEER. MR. SINGH. LAST YEAR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, YOU WERE NOT AGAINST THE EXPANSION OF THE TRANS MOUNTAIN PIPELINE, BUT THEN YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND IN THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. WHAT ARE WE TO MAKE OF YOUR CONTORTION AND FLIP-FLOPS ON THE TRANSFORMATION OF OIL AND GAS.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): IT’S CLEAR ME THAT THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTRY AND THE PLANET IS A FUTURE WITHOUT ANY FOSSIL FUEL. THAT IS THE FUTURE. AND WHAT I WANT TO DO FOR CHILDREN WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE, FOR FAMILIES DEALING WITH FLOODING, FOR PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY’RE AFRAID OF FOREST FIRES, I SAY THIS. I WILL MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO TACKLE THE CLIMATE CRISIS. WE HAVE TO DO IT. WE CAN DO IT. AND TO ME, THAT IS A FIRM COMMITMENT.>>THANK YOU, MR. SINGH. MR. TRUDEAU, IN 2015, YOU PROMISED TO END THE SUBSIDIES TO THE OIL PATCH. AND YET NOT ONLY DID YOU BUY A PIPELINE DURING YOUR MANDATE, WE MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, BUT YOU ALSO OFFERED TO SUPPORT THE OIL SECTOR BY OVER $1 BILLION. HOW CAN WE TODAY BELIEVE YOUR PROMISES ON THE ENVIRONMENT?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE ARE STILL WORKING TOWARDS — WE ARE ON TRACK TO MEETING OUR TARGETS AND ENDING SUBSIDIES TO THE OIL SECTOR IN 2025. IT TAKES A PROGRESSION. WE KNOW THE TRANSITION DIDN’T GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. THAT’S WHY WE’RE INVESTING IN THE RIGHT WAY IN GREEN ENERGY, IN RENEWABLE ENERGY. AND ALL THE PROFITS, THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF PROFITS THAT WILL COME FROM THAT PIPELINE WILL BE INVESTED IN THAT TRANSITION. IN THE FIGHT TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE. WE HAVE DELIVERED OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS AND WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. WE NEED A STRONG GOVERNMENT FULL OF QUÉBECERS AND FRANCOPHONES WHO — A GOVERNMENT THAT WILL CONTINUE TO STAND UP TO THE CONSERVATIVES WHO DON’T WANT DO ANYTHING.>>THANK YOU, MR. TRUDEAU. LAST QUESTION FOR YOU MR. BERNIER. YOU ARE THE ONLY LEADER TO REJECT THE CONSENSUS BY ALWAYS QUOTING THE SAME CONTROVERSIAL OUTLIERS. MR. BERNIER, WHY DO YOU REJECT SCIENCE?>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): FIRST, I DON’T DENY THE SCIENCE. IN FACT, THERE IS A NUMBER OF SCIENTISTS WHO WROTE TO THE SECRETARY GENERAL OF THE UNITED NATIONS TO STATE THERE IS NO CLIMATE EMERGENCY. I WAS CLEAR ON THIS. WE SHOULDN’T PROPAGATE FEAR ABOUT AN EMERGENCY THAT DOESN’T EXIST. IT SHOULD BE GROUNDED IN TRUTH AND REALITY. THERE SHOULD BE MORE STUDIES AND THERE ARE SOME STUDIES ON THE IMPACT OF THE SUN ON CLIMATE CHANGE. AND MOST OF THE STUDIES TODAY DEBATING THE IMPACT OF CLIMATE, CO2. AND MS. MAY IS RIGHT, THERE ARE THE PARIS TARGETS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THEY WILL DESTROY THE ECONOMY AS YOU SAID EARLIER.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FRANCOIS, THANK YOU.>>NOW ON OUR SECOND THEME. ECONOMY AND FINANCES. AND WITH US IN THE ROOM TONIGHT, WE HAVE A CANADIAN, MARIE ASKING A QUESTION TO THE LEADER.>>GOOD EVENING.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.>>HERE’S MY QUESTION. WHEN YOU’RE ELDERLY AND RETIRED, LIFE IS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE WHEN YOU LIVE ALONE INSTEAD OF WITH ANOTHER PERSON. WE ALL KNOW THIS. AND YOU CANNOT, AMONG OTHER THINGS, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF INCOME SPLITTING AND YOU’RE ALONE IN COVERING ALL YOUR EXPENSES. DO YOU INTEND TO INCREASE PENSIONS FOR THE ELDERLY? OR INCREASE THE AGE CREDIT? WHAT TAX MEASURES WILL YOU INTEND TO INTRODUCE TO HELP SENIORS LIVING ALONE?>>THANK YOU. MR. BLANCHET.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): GOOD EVENING. WHAT YOU SAID IS REMARKABLE. THE BABY BOOMERS AS YOU KNOW WILL RETIRE VERY SHORTLY. AND THEY DESERVE A HAPPY AND HOPEFULLY PROSPEROUS RETIREMENT, BECAUSE THEY BUILT THIS SOCIETY IN WHICH WE LIVE. WE PROPOSE INCREASING $110 THE OLD AGE PENSION. THERE WILL BE VARIOUS TAX CREDITS. ALSO, WE PROPOSE THAT AFTER THAT SPOUSE HAS DIED, THE LIVING SPOUSE GETS THE BENEFITS FOR A FEW MONTHS. THESE ARE VARIOUS MEASURES THAT ARE IN OUR PLATFORM. BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IT’S IMPORTANT –>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. SCHEER.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): WHAT IS CLEAR IS THAT THE COST OF LIVING IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE IN THIS CAMPAIGN. THIS IS THE PILLAR OF OUR PLATFORM. WE’LL MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR ALL CANADIANS, ALL QUÉBECERS. MORE SPECIFICALLY FOR SENIORS. THOSE WHO HAVE RETIRED, WE WILL INCREASE THE AGE CREDITS BY $1,000. MANY OF OUR TAX CREDITS WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE TO YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TRANSIT TAX CREDIT. WE WILL ALSO ELIMINATE P.S.T. FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE A FIXED INCOME. THAT IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): THANK YOU, MS. ST. JEAN FOR YOUR QUESTION. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DID WAS INCREASE THE GIS FOR OUR MOST VULNERABLE SENIORS, OFTEN WOMEN LIVING ALONE, BUT WE KNOW THERE IS MORE TO DO AND THAT’S WHY WE HAVE PROMISED TO IMPROVE, WE’LL INCREASE IT 10% FOR THOSE OVER 75. IF SOMEBODY LOSES THEIR PARTNER, WE KNOW THAT’S A VERY DIFFICULT MOMENT AND THAT’S WHY WE’RE GOING TO INCREASE THE SURVIVOR’S BENEFIT FOR THE C.P.P. AND THE Q.P.P. BY UP TO 75%, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT SUPPORTING OUR SENIORS IS ESSENTIAL IN A RICH AND GENEROUS SOCIETY LIKE OURS.>>MS. MAY.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): THANK YOU, I WILL ADD THAT I RECOGNIZE THAT WE’RE HERE ON UNCEDED ALGONQUIN LAND, MIIGWECH. AND YES THE GREEN PARTY IS COMMITTED TO INCREASING THE BENEFITS. I’M 65 YEARS OLD MYSELF. SO I’M IN THE SAME POSITION, BUT I’M NOT READY TO RETIRE JUST YET. BUT I WILL SET UP A STRATEGY FOR SENIORS AND I WILL ALSO SET UP A MINISTER WITHIN THE FEDERAL CABINET. AND THAT MINISTER WILL HAVE THE GOAL OF REDUCING THE COST OF LIVING OF SENIORS.>>WELL, WE HAVE JUST SEEN ALL THE OTHER LEADERS ON THE STAGE HAVE PROMISED YOU WHAT YOU ESSENTIALLY WANT TO HEAR. AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, YOU SEE THERE WILL BE INCREASE TO THE SENIORS PENSION. BUT CLEARLY THE PAY — THE COUNTRY IS INDEBTED. AND WE ARE OF MEANS. THE OTHER LEADERS ARE BEHAVING AS IF THERE IS NO DEFICIT AND NOTHING IS WRONG. IT’S CRUCIAL THAT WE BALANCE THE BUDGET IMMEDIATELY. WERE THERE TO BE RECESSION IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, THERE IS NO WIGGLE ROOM LEFT. I’M NOT GOING TO MAKE PROMISES I CAN’T KEEP.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. YOU’VE RAISED AN ISSUE THAT AFFECTS A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO EXPLAIN YOUR SITUATION. I THINK IT’S RIDICULOUS THAT SENIORS HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS KIND OF CHALLENGE, PEOPLE WHO HAVE SACRIFICED A LOT. THEY ARE ENTITLED TO RETIRE WITH DIGNITY. AND THAT’S WHY WE’RE SETTING UP PROGRAMMES TO HELP YOU. WE WILL HELP WITH PENSIONS AND WE WILL INCREASE AND IMPROVE SERVICES TO SENIORS. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT PHARMACARE, DENTAL CARE. THIS WILL BRING DOWN THE COST OF LIVING AND HELP YOU SAVE MONEY. AND WE WOULD ALSO PUT LIMITS ON FEES AND CHARGES AND THAT WOULD HELP, TOO.>>DO YOU FEEL MORE INFORMED ABOUT HOW YOU’RE GOING TO VOTE? I’M NOT ASKING YOU WHO YOU’RE GOING TO VOTE FOR?>>WELL ALL OF THE PLATFORMS ARE INTERESTING, BUT IN FOUR YEARS, WE’LL SEE.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>WE’RE MOVING ONTO OUR THREE-WAY DEBATE BETWEEN MR. SINGH, MS. MAY AND MR. BLANCHET. NONE OF YOU THREE HAVE PROPOSED TAX CUTS. ON THE CONTRARY, YOU ARE PROPOSING NEW TAXES AND NEW EXPENSIVE PROGRAMMES. DO YOU NOT THINK THAT THE MIDDLE CLASS NEEDS A BREAK? I’LL START WITH YOU MR. SINGH.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): I THINK THE MIDDLE CLASS NEEDS HELP. WE WILL NEVER INCREASE TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS, ON WORKERS. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE WEALTHIEST CANADIANS AREN’T PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE. THE WEALTHIEST CANADIANS HAVE A LOT OF MONEY AND THEY’RE NOT SHARING IT. SO WHAT WE’RE GOING TO DO IS NOT JUST NICE TALK, LIKE MR. TRUDEAU, WE’RE GOING TO PUT A TAX ON THE ULTRAWEALTHY. THIS WILL GIVE US ACCESS TO $70 BILLION IN NEW REVENUES. WE’VE SEEN OTHER GOVERNMENTS INVEST IN BIG COMPANIES, MULTIBILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES, BUT I PREFER TO INVEST IN PEOPLE. I DON’T WORK FOR THE RICH, I WORK FOR YOU.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): I ALSO WORK FOR THE PEOPLE AND OUR PLATFORM IS THE ONLY ONE IN THIS ELECTION THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN COSTED. WE HAVE A COSTED PLATFORM. AND WE HAVE PROVEN WHERE WE’RE GOING TO GET THE REVENUE. AND MR. SINGH, TAX THE RICH, BUT THERE IS ALSO A TAX ON WEB GIANTS LIKE Facebook AND NETFLIX. AND WE ARE GOING TO FIND THOSE FUNDS BECAUSE WE MUST GIVE MORE FUNDS TO CANADIANS. WE HAVE TO ELIMINATE TUITION. WE HAVE TO INVEST IN POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION AS WELL. WE ARE COMPLETELY COMMITTED TO A PHARMACARE PROGRAMME AS WELL. BUT FOR — WE KNOW WE CAN DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP SENIORS AND WE WANT TO FIND WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON AND FIND THE REVENUE WE NEED TO BALANCE THE BUDGET IN FIVE YEARS.>>SMALL DETAIL BESIDES MR. SCHEER AND MR. SINGH, I THINK EVERYONE HAS COSTED PLATFORMS. MADAME MAY, THAT RESPECT THE RULES. AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED, I AGREE WITH THE PRINCIPLE THAT WE NEED TO FIND NEW REVENUE STREAMS. I AGREE THAT THEY CAN’T COME FROM THE SAME POCKETS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE TAX HAVENS. THERE IS TAX EVASION THAT FAVOURS THE SAME PLAYERS. IT IS TRUE WE CAN TAX THE WEB GIANTS WITH A 3% LEVY. WE’RE TALKING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, BUT I THINK THAT LEVY SHOULD BE USED TO HELP THE MEDIA AND THE CULTURAL SECTOR. SO I THINK WE CAN WORK THAT WAY. BUT WE SHOULD ALSO LOOK AT THE EQUALIZATION THAT WILL LOWER THE EXPENSES OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND I THINK WE CAN SAVE $400 MILLION BY HAVING A SINGLE TAX RETURN FOR CITIZENS FOR COMPANIES THAT WAS A UNANIMOUS REQUEST FROM THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY. OF COURSE, THE BLOC WILL BRING THAT QUESTION TO OTTAWA. AND MR. SINGH SAID HE WAS IN AGREEMENT AS LONG AS THERE WERE NO JOB LOSSES. AND WE CAN SAY THERE WILL BE NO JOB LOSSES TO SINGLE TAX RETURN.>>IT’S A MATTER OF REVENUE, BUT IT’S ALSO A MATTER OF CHOICES. OVER THE PAST YEAR, WHAT MR. TRUDEAU WAS SPEND A LOT OF MONEY, $14 BILLION, FOR THE BIGGEST COMPANIES SO THEY COULD BUY PLANES AND GET A SEAT ON THE SECURITY COUNCIL. AND ALSO $5 BILLION TO BUY A PIPELINE AND ALSO IN CORPORATE WELFARE, HE SAID HE WOULD CUT $6 BILLION RIGHT OFF, $6 BILLION IN CORPORATE DEBT. THAT’S $25 BILLION THAT MR. TRUDEAU GAVE AWAY TO THE WEALTHIEST CORPORATIONS.>>WHAT WE RECEIVED OFTEN AS QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC INVOLVES GROWING CONCERN ABOUT THE DEBT AND THE DEFICIT WHICH ARE INCREASING. DOES THAT CONCERN YOU?>>THE DEFICIT WORRIES ME BECAUSE THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT HAS GIVEN BILLIONS AWAY TO THE WEALTHIEST CANADIANS. IF THAT MONEY-USED TO INVEST IN CANADIANS –>>PLATFORMS, THE BUDGET WILL BE BALANCED IN FIVE YEARS. UNLESS THERE IS A RECESSION. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT SUBSIDIES FOR THE OIL SECTOR HAVE INCREASED OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS.>>FINDING THE MONEY IN THE POCKETS OF THE WEALTHY IS ONE THING. SENDING IT TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE IS ANOTHER THING. AND REDUCING THE DEBT IS A THIRD THING. WE CAN’T SAY WITHIN A FEW DAYS WE’RE GOING TO CUT SO MUCH. THE IMPACT ON THE ECONOMY WOULD BE TOO MUCH. IN OUR PLATFORM WE WANT TO CUT THE DEFICIT BY HALF. I WOULD LOVE TO DO IT FASTER, BUT IT’S IMPORTANT WE GET NEW REVENUE STREAMS. THAT REVENUE, THAT INCOME DOES NOT COME FROM TAXPAYERS, BUT RATHER FROM THE WEB GIANTS, FROM SUBSIDIES. WE CAN SELL TRANS MOUNTAIN. WE SHOULD NOT INVEST ANYMORE IN TRANS MOUNTAIN, THAT’S HOW WE CAN FIND A LOT OF MONEY.>>DEBATE ON THE ECONOMY. MR. TRUDEAU, YOU HAVE NO PLAN TO RETURN TO A BALANCED BUDGET. MR. BERNIER, YOU WANT TO CUT LARGELY, YOU SAID EARLIER. MR. SCHEER, WE STILL HAVEN’T SEEN YOUR COSTED PLATFORM. YOUR FIGURES. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO CUT THINGS?>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): FIRST OF ALL, I MADE A CLEAR COMMITMENT WE WILL BALANCE THE BUDGET IN FIVE YEARS. ALL OF OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS WERE SENT TO THE PARLIAMENTARY BUDGET OFFICER FOR IS CALCULATIONS, CONTRARY TO MR. TRUDEAU WHO PUT FORWARD A PLATFORM THAT WAS SIMPLY WRITTEN ON THE CORNER OF A NAPKIN. BUT OVER –>>THAT IS RIDICULOUS, MR. SCHEER. WE PRESENTED A REAL PLAN –>>WHAT ARE YOUR NUMBERS?>>A FULL COSTED PLAN. IT WAS APPROVED BY THE PARLIAMENTARY BUDGET OFFICER, BUT THE REALITY IS WE’RE SO AMBITIOUS WITH OUR INVESTMENTS AND MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUTS, MR. SCHEER, UNLIKE YOU ARE PROMISING A TAX CUT OF $50,000 FOR MULTIMILLIONAIRES. YOU HAVE A UNIVERSAL TAX CUT WHICH HELPS FAMILIES WHO MAKE $400,000 A YEAR MORE THAN FAMILIES WHO MAKE $40,000 >>LET’S TALK ABOUT THAT. A THAT’S A LIE.>>”THE GLOBE AND MAIL” PUBLISHED THE STORY. YOU LIED WHEN –>>MR. SCHEER –>>YOU ARE LYING TODAY.>>LOWER TAXES FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT –>>THE RICHEST CANADIANS AND YOU VOTED AGAINST — [Speaking Simultaneously] >>MIDDLE CLASS, MR. TRUDEAU.>>SPEAK ONE AT A TIME, PLEASE. MR. BERNIER.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): IF I LOOK AROUND ME HERE, THE PARTY LEADERS SAY THEY’RE GOING TO BALANCE THE BUDGET, BUT IN FIVE YEARS TIME AND THEY’RE ASKING FOR A TERM OF OFFICE FOR FOUR YEARS. NO ONE WILL END UP BALANCING THE BUDGET. MR. SCHEER IS TALKING ABOUT ADDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THE DEBT. MR. TRUDEAU IS GOING TO FOLLOW SUIT. IT’S IRRESPONSIBLE. OUR NATIONAL CREDIT CARD IT FULL AND OVERFLOWING. IT’S BRIMMING. SO THE ONLY THING IS TO STOP CORPORATE WELFARE, PUT AN END TO SUBSIDIES TO CORPORATIONS AND IF WE WANT TO KICK START THE ECONOMY, WE HAVE TO PUT MONEY BACK IN THE POCKETS OF BUSINESS PEOPLE ACROSS CANADA AND WE’RE GOING TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE’RE GOING TO FIND THE BALANCE TO BUDGET THE IN TWO YEARS.>>A CONSERVATIVE ARGUMENT. WE’VE HEARD IT MANY TIME. WE HEARD IT TEN YEARS UNDER MR. HARPER AND YOU WERE BOTH PART OF THE PARTY. WE SAW CUTS, TAX CUTS FOR THE RICHEST CANADIANS. WE SAW UNDERINVESTMENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE, IN SENIORS, IN OUR YOUNG PEOPLE AND THEY DIDN’T DELIVER ECONOMIC GROWTH. OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, WE HAVE INVESTED IN THE MIDDLE CLASS. WE HAVE SEEN ONE MILLION NEW JOBS CREATED. WE HAVE SEEN THE LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY AND WE’VE LIFTED 900,000 PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY.>>TOO MANY LIES IN DISCOURSE. I DON’T HAVE TIME TO ANSWER ALL OF THEM. PEOPLE WITH THE LOWEST REVENUE LEVELS BENEFITTED FROM OUR PLAN. TRUDEAU’S EXCUSE WAS TO INVEST INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE PARLIAMENTARY BUDGET OFFICER CLEARLY STATED THERE WAS NO PLAN. WE HAVE THE WORST OF BOTH WORDS. WE HAVE LARGE DEFICITS AND NO PLAN TO HELP INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THE COST OF THE DEFICITS KEEP ON INCREASING. MORE AND MORE OF TAXPAYER MONEY IS BEING PAID.>>MR. SCHEER, MR. SCHEER IS TELLING YOU THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NO INVESTMENTS IN INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT PEOPLE CAN GO OUT AND LOOK IN THEIR CITIES, IN THEIR COMMUNITIES AND SEE THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE HAVE MADE. INVESTMENT IN SOCIAL HOUSING. INVESTMENTS THAT WE HAVE CHOSEN TO MAKE BECAUSE THE CONSERVATIVES UNDER MR. HARPER, UNDERINVESTED AND WE MADE THE CHOICE OF INVESTING IN A REASONABLE WAY IN OUR FUTURE AND IT’S WORKING.>>YES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU’RE RUNNING A DEFICIT. AND YOU HAVE TO PAY BACK THE INTEREST ON THE DEBT. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT $26 BILLION PER YEAR. WE HAVE NO WIGGLE ROOM LEFT, NO LEEWAY LEFT AND MANY ECONOMISTS ARE SAYING WE’RE ON THE VERGE OF A RECESSION IN A COUPLE OF YEARS. IF THAT’S THE CASE, IT’S GOING TO BE A DISASTER IN TERMS OF SOCIAL PROGRAMMES. WE NEED A RESPONSIBLE TAX SYSTEM. YOU JUST –>>BY MAKING INVESTMENTS IN PEOPLE, IN WORKERS, IN FAMILIES. THAT CREATES RESILIENCESY IN FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES. WE DON’T NEED TO CREATE A BIG POT OF MONEY FOR WHEN WE NEED IT, WE NEED TO MAKE THE INVESTMENTS IN PEOPLE SO THEY CAN BE STRONG, SO THEY CAN RESIST IN DIFFICULT TIMES. I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH YOU.>>MR. SCHEER.>>THEY’RE GOING TO CUT, WE’RE GOING TO VEST.>>JUSTIN TRUDEAU. JUSTIN TRUDEAU INCREASED THE TAX BURDEN ON EVERYONE. HE INCREASED THE TAXATION ON 80% OF THE MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES. WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS A PLAN TO BALANCE THE BUDGE –>>WE HAVEN’T SEEN YOUR NUMBERS. WHERE ARE YOUR NUMBERS?>>I DON’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO BRING –>>BUT I HAVE ONE.>>IT’S COSTED. [Speaking Simultaneously] >>THANK YOU, THANK YOU. PEOPLE AT HOME, YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT PEOPLE LISTENING TO YOU AND WHO WANT TO HEAR YOU. MR. SCHEER, LET’S BEGIN WITH YOU, QUICKLY BECAUSE MANY CANADIANS WROTE TO US ON THIS TOPIC. WILL YOU CHANGE THE RETIREMENT AGE, WHICH NOW IS 65?>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): NO.>>WE STILL WANT TO SEE YOUR COSTED PLATFORM, BUT YOU WANT TO BALANCE THE BUDGET IN FIVE YEARS. THE FORMER CONSERVATIVE MADE CUTS TO SCIENCE AND CULTURE RESEARCH, WILL YOU DO THE SAME THING TO ELIMINATE THE DEFINITE SNIT >>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): WE HAVE ALREADY ANNOUNCED PLACES WE’LL BE ABLE TO FIND SAVINGS FOR CANADIANS. WE’LL PROTECT CULTURE AND INVESTMENT IN TECHNOLOGY AND RESEARCH. WE WILL ELIMINATE $1.5 BILLION IN CORPORATE SUBSIDIES. AND WE’LL CUT FOREIGN ASSISTANCE BY 25%. WE WILL KEEP THE MONEY HERE IN CANADA UNTIL WE CAN MAKE PEOPLES’ LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE. WE’LL REDUCE TAXES. WE’LL –>>NO CUTS TO SCIENCE? WHAT ABOUT — WILL THAT STAY?>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): YES.>>NEXT QUESTION, MR. BERNIER YOU SAID YOU WOULD GET RID OF SUPPLY MANAGEMENT. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO CONSUMERS WHO FEAR THEIR GROCERY STORES WILL BE FLOODED BY U.S. DAIRY AND CHICKEN PRODUCTS?>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): FIRST AND FOREMOST, THEY’LL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, CANADIAN HOUSEHOLDS WILL SAVE $400 A YEAR BY ABOLISHING THIS SOCIALIST SUPPLY MANAGEMENT CARTEL SYSTEM. BUT YOU KNOW, IT’S EASY TO BALANCE A BUDGET AND YOU COULD DO SO BY CUTTING BACK ON INTERNATIONAL — AND ONE WAY OF HELPING THE POOREST IN CANADA IS TO DO AWAY WITH THE SUPPLY MANAGEMENT –>>THANK YOU.>>SAVE MONEY.>>YOUR COSTED PLATFORM WAS SHREDDED BECAUSE YOU WOULD INCREASE GOVERNMENT SPENDING BY $70 BILLION A YEAR. HOW WOULD YOU CONVINCE VOTERS YOU’RE CREDIBLE WHEN IT COMES TO MANAGING THE PUBLIC PURSE.>>BECAUSE OUR PLATFORM WAS EXAMINED BY THE INSTITUTE FOR FISCAL DEMOCRACY. AND BY THE PARLIAMENTARY BUDGET OFFICER, KEVIN PAGE. HE GAVE IT A PASSING GRADE. BUT WE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE COSTED PLATFORM. THE REALITY IS THAT WE HAVE TO DO MORE. WE ARE A WEALTHY COUNTRY. WE HAVE TO CREATE A BETTER SYSTEM FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE. WE HAVE TO INVEST IN CHILD CARE AND –>>THAT’S ALL THE TIME. MR. TRUDEAU, IN 2015, YOU PROPOSED DEFICITS SENDING TO FUND INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, CANADIANS SUPPORTED YOU. IN 2019, YOU PROPOSED THAT CANADA CONTINUE TO LIVE ON CREDIT AND ADD ANOTHER $100 BILLION TO THE DEBT, BUT FOR OPERATIONAL EXPENSES. IF THERE IS A RECESSION HOW MUCH WIGGLE ROOM WILL YOU HAVE?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS HELPING YOUNG PEOPLE FIND GOOD JOBS AND GET THE EDUCATION THEY NEED. FAMILIES OFFERING POSSIBILITIES TO THEIR CHILDREN SO THEY CAN GROW SAFELY AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT MIGHT PRESENT THEMSELVES. OUR PLAN HAS WORKED OVER FOUR YEARS.>>BUT WILL YOU HAVE WIGGLE ROOM OR WILL THERE BE DEFICITS?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): YES, WE’LL HAVE ROOM TO MANOEUVRE, BECAUSE OUR PLAN HAS BEEN RATED TRIPLE-A BY INTERNATIONAL CREDIT RATINGS AGENCIES. ONLY GERMANY AND CANADA HAVE UNANIMOUS TRIPLE-A CREDIT RATING BECAUSE OUR PLAN IS RESPONSIBLE AND REASONABLE WHEN IT COMES TO OUR FINANCES.>>THANK YOU. MR. SINGH, AS WITH MR. SCHEER, YOU STILL HAVE NOT UNVEILED YOUR COSTED PLATFORM, BUT WE KNOW YOU ARE PUTTING FORTH VERY EXPENSIVE PROGRAMMES LIKE PHARMACARE AND DENTAL CARE. YOU SAY YOU’LL MAKE THE RICH PAY, BUT EXPERTS SAY THE POLITICIANS ALWAYS OVERESTIMATE THE NUMBERS. THE WEALTHY CAN HIRE GOOD TAX EXPERTS. HOW CAN YOU DISSIPATE THE IMPRESSION THAT YOUR PLAN IS BASED ON WISHFUL THINKING?>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): FIRST OF ALL, IT’S HARD TO MAKE TOUGH CHOICES, BUT WE WILL MAKE THOSE CHOICES. WE CHOSE VERY SPECIFIC NUMBERS BECAUSE WITH THE TAX ON THE ULTRAWEALTHY, THOSE WHO HAVE OVER $20 MILLION, WE’RE GOING TO IMPOSE A 1% TAX. AND WE RECKON WITH A 1% TAX, IT’S GOING TO BE HARDER TO HIDE MONEY THAN TO JUST PAY THAT TAX. SO IT’S REALISTIC. IF WE CAN INCREASE REVENUES, THEN WE CAN DO MORE. WE CAN DO THIS.>>MR. BLANCHET, YOU’RE AGAINST PIPELINES, BUT YOU HAVE NOT DENOUNCED QUÉBEC’S L.N.G. PIPELINE WHICH WILL GO ALL THE WAY TO SAGUENAY. CAN YOU TELL US WHETHER YOU ARE AGAINST FOSSIL FUELS, ONLY WHEN ALBERTA MAKES MONEY?>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): TO BE CONSISTENT IN MY ANSWERS, I’VE ANSWERED THIS PREVIOUSLY, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING BUREAU IN QUÉBEC. I THINK I SAID CLEARLY THAT OIL AND FOSSIL FUEL ARE ENERGIES OF THE PAST. IT’S NOT OUR FUTURE. THESE ARE NOT THE PROJECTS WE MUST INVEST IN. BUT AS A FORMER MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, I’M WAITING FOR THE BEST REPORT. I DON’T KNOW IF IT WILL BE FAVORABLE TO L.N.G., BUT WE’LL SEE. WE’LL TABLE A BILL ASKING THAT THE HEARING OFFICE IN QUÉBEC HAS PRECEDENCE ON THE ASSESSMENTS IN OTTAWA. I THINK THAT THE BUREAU WILL BE QUITE STERN.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>OF THE SECOND THEME, WE MOVE ONTO THE NEXT THEME NOW.>>SERVICES TO CANADIANS. TO BEGIN THIS THEME, WE HAVE A CANADIAN IN TORONTO, IN MISSISSAUGA. THE LEADERS ARE LISTENING TO YOU, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT SERVICES IN FRENCH FOR FRENCH MINORITY COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE OF QUÉBEC. WE’RE LISTENING.>>GOOD EVENING. LIVING IN A MINORITY CONTEXT IS A CHALLENGE WITH RECENT PROVINCIAL CUTS. IT’S BECOME EVEN MORE DIFFICULT AND FEDERALLY, IT’S NOT MUCH BETTER. BECAUSE IT’S HARD TO OBTAIN THESE SERVICES. FOR INSTANCE, WHEN YOU’RE APPLYING FOR A PASSPORT AND YOU WANT TO MEET SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS FRENCH, YOU HAVE TO WAIT TEN TIMES AS LONG AS. OR WHEN YOU’RE TAKING AIR CANADA FROM TORONTO, IT’S DIFFICULT TO FIND A FRENCH-SPEAKING FLIGHT ATTENDANT. IN FACT, IT’S ALMOST A MIRACLE. AND DESPITE MANY COMPLAINTS FILED WITH THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE COMMISSIONER NOTHING SEEMS TO CHANGE. MY QUESTION IS THIS, WHAT TOOLS WOULD YOU GIVE THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE COMMISSIONER SO THAT THE COMMISSIONER CAN FINALLY ENFORCE THE LAW AND GIVE ALL OF CANADA’S FRANCOPHONES ADEQUATE SERVICES AND EQUAL SERVICES TO OTHERS?>>MR. SCHEER.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AS WELL. PERHAPS THIS MAY BE A SURPRISE, BUT FRENCH IS NOT MY FIRST LANGUAGE. I WAS BORN IN OTTAWA AND IT’S THANKS TO MY ANGLOPHONE PARENTS DECISION THAT I LEARNED FRENCH IN AN IMMERSION SCHOOL PROGRAMME. I MADE A LOT OF EFFORT. I’VE BEEN LEARNING AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. I ALWAYS TRY TO IMPROVE MY FRENCH. I ORGANIZED A MEETING BETWEEN ALL FEDERAL LEADERS TO RECTIFY THE ISSUE WITH THE FRANCOPHONIE UNIVERSITY. I CLEARLY SUPPORTED THIS UNIVERSITY AND I PROPOSE TO MODERNIZE THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): THANK YOU. THAT IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT QUESTION. IT HAS BEEN TOO LONG, WE HAVE NOT MODERNIZED THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE ACT AND WE MUST DO IT. YOU WANTED A CONCRETE ANSWER. WHAT I THINK IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO DO IS TO GIVE THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGES COMMISSIONER THE POWER TO APPLY SANCTIONS AND TO DEMAND THAT ALL AGENCIES — ALL FEDERAL AGENCIES PROVIDE PROPER EQUAL SERVICES IN BOTH OFFICIAL LANGUAGES. AND I’LL DO THAT IN THE FIRST YEAR OF MY MANDATE.>>THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. IT’S VERY IMPORTANT. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO INVEST MORE HEAVILY IN AREAS OF JURISDICTION. THAT’S WHAT WE’LL DO FOR OFFICIAL LANGUAGES AND THE OTHER SERVICES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROVIDES TO CANADIANS. THERE ARE LEADERS ON THE STAGE THAT SAY THEY’LL INVEST IN SOCIAL HOUSING, HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION. THESE ARE PROVINCIAL BAILIWICKS, PROVINCIAL AREAS OF JURISDICTION. OUR POLICY IS TO HONOUR THE CANADIAN INSTITUTION AND NOT RIDE ROUGHSHOD OVER PROVINCIAL AREAS OF JURISDICTION, SO GIVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THE RESOURCES IT NEEDS TO PROVIDE QUALITY SERVICES TO FRANCOPHONES OUTSIDE QUÉBEC. AND ALSO ANGLOPHONES IN QUÉBEC. OTHER SERVICES YOU REFER TO, A STRONG FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT –>>QUÉBECERS KNOW WHAT IT IS TO BE A MINORITY BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH FRANCOPHONE QUÉBEC ARE A MINORITY IN NORTH AMERICA, FRANCOPHONES IN QUÉBEC, ACADIANS, ARE FRANCOPHONE BROTHERS AND SISTERS. I THINK THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE COMMISSIONER SHOULD BRING BACK THE NOTION OF RECIPROCITY. IT’S IMPORTANT THAT COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE OF QUÉBEC AND THE ACADIAN COMMUNITIES GET THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT THE ENGLISH SPEAKING MINORITY IN QUÉBEC GET. THEY SHOULD GET THE SAME –>>MR. SINGH.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, MR. GRAVEL. AS YOU CAN TELL I’M NOT A FRANCOPHONE, BUT I AM A FRANCO-FILE. I DIDN’T HAVE FRENCH IMMERSION, BUT IN MY CHILDHOOD I FELL IN LOVE WITH THE FRENCH LANGUAGE. THE LANGUAGE OF — [Speaking French] — I WANT TO SHARE THAT WEALTH, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A SOURCE OF WEALTH IN MY LIFE. WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN CONCRETE TERMS IS BETTER FUND SERVICES IN FRENCH, BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE, BUT IT’S A MATTER OF COURAGE AND POLITICAL WILL. AND WE HAVE THAT COURAGE AND THAT WILL BECAUSE IT’S SO IMPORTANT.>>MR. GRAVEL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. YOU’LL REMEMBER, LIKE ME, WHAT MR. FORD HAS DONE SINCE HE CAME TO POWER. HE’S CUT SERVICES TO FRANCOPHONES EVEN THOUGH HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO HELP THAT COMMUNITY WHEN HE WAS GOING TO BE ELECTED. HE SAID HE WAS FOR THE PEOPLE, BUT HE MADE CUTS. WE HAVE DEFENDED FRANCOPHONE MINORITIES IN ONTARIO AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. WE MADE A RECORD INVESTMENT IN FRANCOPHONE COMMUNITIES, OR OFFICIAL LANGUAGES MINORITY COMMUNITIES, ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND WE HAVE COMMIT TO THE MODERNIZING THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGES ACT. WE UNDERSTAND THE FIGHT THAT YOU’RE FIGHTING EVERY DAY AND WILL BE ALONGSIDE YOU.>>THANK YOU, MR. TRUDEAU. I’D LIKE TO THANK MR. GRAVEL FOR ASKING HIS QUESTION. THANK YOU, I HOPE THAT WAS INFORMATIVE FOR YOU.>>NOW WE’RE GOING TO MOVE ONTO THE FIRST THREE-WAY DEBATE ON SERVICES TO CANADIANS. WE HAVE MR. SCHEER, MR. SINGH AND MR. BLANCHET. HERE’S A QUESTION. YOU CAN INTERVENE. I’M GOING TO TALK ABOUT INDIGENOUS AFFAIRS. WE TALKED ABOUT A CULTURAL GENOCIDE. WE TALKED ABOUT RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS, MISSING WOMEN, RESERVES WITHOUT HOUSING OR DRINKING WATER. HERE’S MY SIMPLE QUESTION. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TANGABLY TO IMPROVE LIVING CONDITIONS FOR INDIGENOUS PEOPLE? MR. SINGH.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): HERE WE GO AGAIN AND I WORE MY ORANGE TURBAN AGAIN [LAUGHTER]. ANYWAY.>>THAT’S A VERY SERIOUS QUESTION. WHAT I’VE SEEN IS MR. TRUDEAU, HE TALKS A LOT — HE TALKS A GOOD GAME PUBLICLY, BUT THE DECISIONS HE MAKES PRIVATELY ARE THE PROBLEM. WHEN IT COMES TO INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES, IF THERE WAS A WILLINGNESS TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT AWAY, IT COULD BE DONE. IT’S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. IF THE DECISION WAS TO FUND INDIGENOUS KIDS, THE SAME WAY AS OTHER CANADIAN KIDS, THAT COULD BE DONE. IT SHOULDN’T HAVE TO GO TO COURT. I WOULD RESPECT INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES. IT’S A MATTER OF DIGNITY. IF YOU START WITH THAT RECOGNITION, IT COULD SOLVE SO MANY PROBLEMS. EQUAL FUNDING IS THE STARTING POINT.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHEN IT GOES TO RESPECTING INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, WE HAVE TO RESPECT WHEN INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES SAY YES. YES TO PROJECTS, TO HELP ECONOMIC GROWTH. WHEN WE SPEAK ABOUT REMOTE OR RURAL COMMUNITIES, SECTORS THAT CREATE THE MOST JOBS FOR NATIONS IS MINING, THE FORESTRY AND THE ENERGY SECTORS. AND THAT’S THE REASON FOR WHICH I SAID THAT I WOULD APPOINT A MINISTER WHOSE PORTFOLIO WOULD BE TO CONSULT IN A DYNAMIC WAY SO THAT WE MEET OUR OBLIGATIONS WITHOUT TREATIES.>>OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH FIRST PEOPLES HAVE — WELL, THERE IS A LACK OF TRUST. THAT’S MY UNDERSTANDING. BECAUSE THESE ARE TRULY NATIONS THAT HAVE RIGHTS, PRIVILEGES, OBLIGATIONS, AS ANY OTHER NATION. THERE HAS BEEN A U.N. DECLARATION, STUDIES, COMMISSIONS, INQUIRIES, AND THEY SAY — I’M OKAY WITH SAYING IT — THEY SAY THERE IS NEVER FOLLOW-UP. WE NEVER IMPLEMENT ANY CLEAR MEASURE. THE DEBATE IS THEORETICAL, BUT MEANWHILE THERE IS NO REAL SOLUTION, THERE IS NO TRUST THAT IS BUILT. WE WILL NEED TO DEEPLY CHANGE OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.>>I FULLY AGREE WITH WHAT MR. BLANCHET JUST SAID. IN FACT, IF WE’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT RESPECT, I VISITED GRASSY NARROWS AND THEY HAVE A MERCURY POISONING PROBLEM THERE, BUT MR. TRUDEAU AT A PRIVATE EVENT, MADE FUN OF SOMEONE WHO WAS AN ADVOCATE SAYING THAT THEIR WATER WAS POISONED, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? AND HE SAID THANKS FOR YOUR DONATION. IT’S INCOMPREHENSIBLE HOW SOMEBODY COULD DO THAT. IF YOU SAW THE IMPACT OF THE POISON ON THE BODIES, THE TREMBLING — I HAVE NO WORDS FOR IT, IT’S INCREDIBLE.>>WE’RE GOING TO STOP THIS THREE-WAY DEBATE NOW. MR. TRUDEAU, YOU’VE BEEN ASKED A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION. I’LL GIVE YOU 30 SECONDS TO ANSWER.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): THANK YOU. WE HAVE MADE HUGE INVESTMENTS IN THE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND WITH THE COMMUNITY OF GRASSY NARROWS WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM TO APPROVE A TREATMENT CENTRE AND WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE FUNDING IS IN PLACE FOR THE TREATMENT CENTRE.>>THANK YOU. WE’LL TALK ABOUT INDIGENOUS ISSUES IN YOUR DEBATE.>>THIS IS A BIT SHOCKING. WE’RE ABLE TO FIND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN ORDER TO BUY A PIPELINE, BUT AFTER YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, WE DON’T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY SO THAT INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES HAVE CLEAN WATER? WE SHOULD HAVE RESPECT AND DIGNITY FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE PEOPLE AS MUCH AS WE ARE.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): ALL THE PARTIES, ONE AFTER THE OTHER, HAVE NOTICED THAT IT’S VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT CONCRETELY, TO SHIFT.>>THIS IS A CHALLENGE. IT IS ESSENTIAL FOR US TO HAVE A GOVERNMENT THAT MEETS ITS RESPONSIBILITIES IN A SERIOUS WAY. THAT IS MY COMMITMENT TO FIRST NATIONS. WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY THE INVESTMENTS, WE WANT THERE TO ALSO BE A NEW SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE INVESTMENTS WORK. IT’S NOT JUST A QUESTION OF MONEY. IT’S A QUESTION OF REESTABLISHING THE DYNAMICS IN OUR DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES. I’VE ASKED FIRST NATIONS STATUTES TO BE MODERNIZED SO THEY CAN BENEFIT FROM NATURAL RESOURCES ON RESERVE.>>NATURAL RESOURCES ARE THE KEY IN YOUR OPINION?>>THE PROBLEM, THE KEY TO THIS PROBLEM IS THAT CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE CHOSEN TO NEGLECT INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES. THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING IF THEY WANTED TO. WHEN THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE OIL PATCH, THEY JUMP ON THE CHANCE TO BUY A PIPELINE. AT A HUGE COST.>>IF WE’RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, DO IT ALONGSIDE FIRST NATIONS, DO NOT IMPOSE IT TOPDOWN. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE PART OF THE DECISION-MAKING.>>WE’RE GOING TO MOVE ONTO THE THEME OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. MR. TRUDEAU. THIS IS VERY RECENT. LAST THURSDAY YOU APPEALED A JUDGMENT THAT ORDERED THE GOVERNMENT TO PAY $40,000 TO INDIGENOUS CHILDREN THAT WERE GIVEN TO CHILD PROTECTION. WERE YOU NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THE CHAMPION OF RECONCILIATION?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE ARE AND WE CONTINUE TO CHAMPION RECONCILIATION. WE AGREE WITH THE COURT WE HAVE TO COMPENSATE THE CHILDREN. WE’RE GOING TO DO THAT. WE’RE GOING TO WORK WITH THEM TO ESTABLISH THE RIGHT LEVEL. BUT WE HAVE MADE CONCRETE INVESTMENTS OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS. WE WERE ABLE TO GET RID OF 87 BOIL-WATER ADVISORIES. WE’VE MADE NEW INVESTMENTS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. THERE IS STILL A LOT TO DO, BUT CHIEF PERRY BELLEGARDE OF THE ASSEMBLY OF FIRST NATIONS HAS RECOGNIZED THAT NO GOVERNMENT HAS DONE MORE FOR INDIGENOUS PEOPLES THAN WE HAVE.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): WELL, MR. TRUDEAU, THAT’S NOT TRUE. BECAUSE THE HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL HAS A RULING AND THE LAWYERS FOR YOUR GOVERNMENT CONTESTED THE RESULTS. IT’S NOT TRUE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT BEING COMFORTABLE WITH THE DECISION. THE LAWYERS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OVERTURNED TO THE — PLANNING TO OVERTURN THE RULING IN FAVOUR OF INDIGENOUS CHILDREN. IT’S A SCANDAL.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): I AGREE WITH THE COURT WE MUST COMPENSATE THESE CHILDREN.>>TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY DID YOU APPEAL THE DECISION?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): BECAUSE THE TIME LINE OF DOING IT BY DECEMBER DOESN’T WORK WITH THE ELECTIONS WE’RE IN RIGHT NOW. WE’RE GOING COMPENSATE THE CHILDREN, BUT IT’S GOING TO TAKE A BIT OF TIME TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.>>I WORK WITH — I’M SORRY.>>EVEN TODAY, NOT ALL RESERVATIONS HAVE RUNNING WATER, DRINKING WATER. IT’S NOT A QUESTION OF MONEY. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS SPENT BILLIONS ON PUBLIC RELATIONS WITH INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES. THE STATUS QUO JUST DOESN’T WORK. IT’S BEEN YEARS WE’RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING BETTER RELATIONSHIPS WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLE AND THAT’S TRUE. BUT WE NEED TO START BY ABOLISHING THE INDIAN ACT. THERE NEEDS TO BE GREATER AUTONOMY ON RESERVATION, PROPERTIES RIGHTS AND WEALTH CREATION ON RESERVATION. THERE NEEDS TO BE PIPELINES BUILT IN COLLABORATION WITH THE FIRST NATIONS.>>I COMPLETE –>>I AGREE THAT WE HAVE TO GET PAST THE INDIAN ACT, BUT IT’S UP TO THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES TO DECIDE HOW THAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN. THERE ARE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DONE THAT, BUT WE’RE RESPECTING THEIR SPEED AND PRIORITIES.>>I’D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO OPEN A QUESTION ON CULTURE. WE BRUSHED OVER IT EARLIER. SOME OF YOU AND MR. TRUDEAU, IT TOOK YOU A LONG TIME, BUT YOU DID MAKE IT PART OF YOUR COMMITMENT, TO IMPOSE A TAX ON WEB GIANTS. WOULD YOU COMMIT TO GIVING THIS MONEY BACK TO THE ARTISTS WHO PRODUCE THE CONTENT AND WHO ONLY RECEIVE CRUMBS. MR. TRUDEAU — >>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE ARE GOING TO DO MORE THAN JUST INVESTING THAT MONEY IN CULTURE. LISTEN, THESE ARE PROPOSALS. 3% LEVY, NOT A TAX, BECAUSE THESE GIANT COMPANIES EXPLOIT MONEY THAT IS NOT THERE. THERE WOULD BE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR ENTERTAINMENT.>>YES, YES, FOR THE ARTISTS. 40% WOULD GO TO THE FRANCOPHONE SECTOR.>>I WOULD HAVE SAID A LOT MORE.>>TAX ON WEB GIANTS THAT MAKE A LOT OF MONEY OFF OUR ECONOMY AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THIS MONEY WILL BE USED TO HELP OUR PROGRAMMES. WE’LL CREATE A NEW ADMINISTRATION FOR MEDIA. THEY DO NOT SEE ANY REVENUE BECAUSE WEB GIANTS TAKE THE MONEY.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS UNFAIR. THE BIG WEB GIANTS DON’T PAY THE H.S.T. THEY SHOULD PAY IT JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE. THIS IS A FEDERAL AREA OF JURISDICTION. AFTER WE BALANCE THE BUDGET, OF COURSE –>>SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR EXACTLY WHAT YOU PROPOSED. TO HELP ARTISTS TO GIVE REVENUE TO OUR CULTURAL COMMUNITY. I WANT TO ADD. I’VE WORKED AS A LAWYER. IT’S NOT TRUE WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER SAID. THE HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL, HE AGREES WITH WHAT IT SAID. IT’S UP TO THE GOVERNMENT TO DO MORE.>>MR. TRUDEAU SWINGS TO THE LEFT DURING THE CAMPAIGN, BUT ONCE HE’S IN OFFICE, HE SWINGS BACK TO THE RIGHT. YES, THE INTERNET GIANTS NEED TO BE TAXED AND WE HAVE TO REINVEST IN CULTURE.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK THIS IS VERY INFORMATIVE FOR PEOPLE WATCHING US. NOW I’M GOING TO TURN TO PATRICIA CLOUDIER, WHO WILL ASK THE RAPID FIRE QUESTIONS. WE’RE GOING TO SPEED THINGS UP.>>I’M EXPECTING 15 SECOND ANSWERS MILLIONS OF CANADIANS HAVE BEEN VICTIMS IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, VICTIMS OF THEFT OF THEIR PERSONAL INFORMATION. ARE YOU WILLING TO FOLLOW GREAT BRITAIN’S EXAMPLE AND PENALIZE THE COMPANIES WHERE THERE HAS BEEN A DATA BREACH?>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): THE BANKS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROTECTING THEIR CUSTOMERS’ PRIVACY AND WHEN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS OCCUR WITH THE BANKS WHERE THERE IS A BREACH OF PRIVACY, IT’S THE BANKS WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE AND THERE HAS TO BE REPERCUSSIONS.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): YES. WE CREATED A DIGITAL CHARTER TO DEFEND DIGITAL — CITIZENS DIGITAL RIGHTS AND WE’RE WORKING WITH GREAT BRITAIN AND FRANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT CANADIANS CAN CONTROL THEIR OWN DATA AND THAT THEY CAN CONTROL THEIR INFORMATION.>>THANK YOU.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): WE WILL TABLE — SORRY — WE WILL ASK IN PARLIAMENT IS THAT THE I.D. MEASURES BE STRONGER. AND IF THERE IS A DATA BREACH, THE COMPANY MUST SAY THERE IS A DATA BREACH AND AT THE END OF THE YEAR, SAY HOW MANY THERE WERE AND ALSO COVER COSTS INCURRED BY CLIENTS.>>YES, I WANT TO PROTECT PERSONAL INFORMATION. THERE IS NO CORPORATION.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): YES, IT’S ALMOST UNANIMOUS. WE MUST PROTECT CANADIANS FROM THAT KIND OF THING, THE BANKS ARE NEGLIGENT AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): YES, WE WILL PROTECT CANADIAN CONSUMERS TO ENSURE THE PROTECTION OF THEIR DATA. IF JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S GOVERNMENT THAT TRIED TO GIVE STATISTICS CANADA PERMISSION TO OBTAIN UNCONSENTED INFORMATION FROM CANADIANS.>>NO, LISTEN, NO.>>YOU GAVE CANADIAN FINANCIAL –>>THAT’S –>>– IT’S ONLY –>>THAT’S RIDICULOUS.>>BACK PEDALS.>>I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. CANADIANS HAVE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME FOR A HIGH SPEED RAIL LINK BETWEEN QUÉBEC AND TORONTO. WILL YOU COMMIT TO THIS PROJECT? IF SO, WHEN, MR. SINGH?>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): YES. THAT’S ONE OF THE COMMITMENTS IN OUR PLATFORM. BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH OUR RESPONSE TO THE CLIMATE CRISIS. WE’RE INVESTING IN PUBLIC TRANSIT, SO WE’RE HIGHLY IN FAVOUR OF THIS TRAIN.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO GO THROUGH TROIS-RIVIERES, THAT IT’S GOING TO GET TO QUÉBEC CITY. THERE IS STILL A LOT OF WORK TO DO, BUT WE’RE A GOVERNMENT THAT HAS CHOSEN TO INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE, UNLIKE THE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT. AND UNLIKE CONSERVATIVE PROVINCES THAT DON’T INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE.>>THAT TREE IS THE YETI, THEY SAID, MAYBE WE’LL DO A STUDY BECAUSE WE’RE NOT SURE. I DON’T THINK THAT TRAIN IS GOING TO DEPART SOON.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): EVERYONE PROMISED INVESTMENTS WITH MONEY THAT WE SIMPLY DON’T HAVE. WE DON’T HAVE THIS MONEY AND WE NEED TO POINT THAT OUT. FIRST, WE HAVE TO BALANCE THE BUDGET. WE’RE NOT GOING TO BUY PEOPLES’ VOTES. THAT’S NOT HOW WE’RE GOING TO START. IT’S IRRESPONSIBLE SPENDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WHEN WE HAVE SO MUCH TO DO.>>THANK YOU.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): AND OUR PLAN, MISSION POSSIBLE, WE WANT TO SET UP A PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM FROM COAST TO COAST TO COAST, PARTICULARLY BETWEEN TORONTO AND QUÉBEC AND EDMONTON AND CALGARY. WE HAVE A PUBLIC TRANSIT –>>THANK YOU.>>60% OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS — INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAMME FUNDS ARE SPENT ON BIG PROJECTS. I SPOKE TO IT WILL MAKE LIFE SIMPLER FOR PEOPLE IN THAT REGION. WE WILL DO THAT CONTRARY TO MR. TRUDEAU WHO HAS PROMISES HE NEVER RESPECTS.>>MAY BE ABLE TO TAKE THE TRAIN ONE DAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>NEXT THEME. FOREIGN POLICY AND IMMIGRATION. WE’RE GOING TO START WITH QUESTION FROM A CANADIAN WHO IS IN NEW BRUNSWICK.>>I THINK THE UNIVERSITY OF MONCTON?>>GOOD EVENING.>>LEADERS ARE LISTENING TO YOU, WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION?>>GOOD EVENING, LEADERS. AS YOU KNOW, IN LIGHT OF THE EVENTS TAKING PLACE IN HONG KONG, THE IMPRISONMENT OF TWO CANADIANS AND THE MANY VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN CHINA, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO STOP TRADE WITH CHINA IF THE SITUATION DOES NOT IMPROVE?>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR QUESTION. FIRST PERSON TO RESPOND, MR. BERNIER.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE TWO CANADIANS BEHIND BARS ARE REPATRIATED AND, OF COURSE, OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA IS FAR FROM IDEAL. NOW THAT WILL BE A TOP PRIORITY. HOW WILL WE GO ABOUT THIS? WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO ALLIES FOR HELP. WE NEED TO LOOK AT TRADE RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA. PERHAPS WE’LL HAVE IMPOSE TARIFFS IF WE DON’T GET THE ANSWER WE WANT. THAT IS TO REPATRIATE THESE CANADIANS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. IN SHORT ORDER. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL FOREIGN COUNTRIES. THE FACT — >>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE PRIORITY IS ALWAYS TO DEFEND CANADIANS’ INTERESTS AND DEFEND CANADIANS. AND THAT’S WHY WE HAVE ACTIVATED ALL OF OUR ALLIES AROUND THE GLOBE TO PUT PRESSURE ON CHINA TO TELL THEM, NO, YOU CAN’T ASHA TOMLINSON — ARBITRARILY DETAIN CANADIANS. CANADIAN IS A GROWING ECONOMY CREATING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES, BUT WE ALWAYS NEED TO BE THERE TO DEFEND OUR VALUES AND PRINCIPLES AND THAT’S WHAT WE’LL ALWAYS DO.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THIS ALSO — TO HEAR THAT THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT DOESN’T RESPECT JUSTIN TRUDEAU AFTER TRUDEAU’S DISASTROUS TRIP TO INDIA, MANY G20 LEADERS SIMPLY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR HIM. MR. TRUDEAU DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO PROTECT CANADIANS OVER NINE MONTHS, OR THEIR INTERESTS. AS PRIME MINISTER I WILL REMOVE CANADIAN MONEY FROM THE ASIA INFRASTRUCTURE BANK. THAT IS A BANK THAT IS CONTROLLED BY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT. THERE IS NO GOOD REASON FOR TAXPAYERS’ MONEY TO BE SENT TO BUILD BRIDGES AND ROADS IN OTHER COUNTRIES. AND THAT SUPPORTS CHINA’S FOREIGN POLICY.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): THE PRIORITY IS THE CANADIANS WHO ARE CURRENTLY IN SUCH A DIFFICULT SITUATION. ACTION HAS TO BE TAKEN IMMEDIATELY TO HELP THEM. THAT’S ESSENTIAL. AND, YES, ON THE QUESTION OF RELATIONS WITH CHINA. WE HAVE TO BE STRONG. WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT WE DEFEND HUMAN RIGHTS. AND WHAT IS GOING ON IN HONG KONG, IT’S VERY WORRISOME WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE. BUT WITH MR. TRUDEAU, ONCE AGAIN, HE SWINGS TO THE LEFT DURING THE CAMPAIGN, SAYS A LOT OF NICE THINGS, BUT THEN ONCE HE’S IN OFFICE, HE SWINGS BACK TO THE RIGHT. WHY ARE ARMS STILL BEING SOLD TO SAUDI ARABIA?>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): THANK YOU. THERE IS AN ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. AND IT IS THE AGREEMENT THAT MR. HARPER AGREED TO WITH CHINA. AND IT’S THE LAST PARLIAMENT AND IT WAS NEVER DEBATED. IT WASN’T VOTED ON. IT WAS A HUGE AGREEMENT WITH INVESTORS IN CHINA THAT GAVE RIGHTS TO CHINESE COMPANIES TO CHARGE CANADA WHEN WE HAVE REGULATIONS. SO WE’RE TALKING ABOUT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT. AND IT’S COMPLETELY SECRET AND AWFUL.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): FIRST, I HAVE A THOUGHT FOR ALL THE FARMERS IN THE REGION THAT ARE HINDERED BY SUPPLY MANAGEMENT, BECAUSE THAT NEGOTIATION HAS CAUSED THEM A SHARE OF THE MARKET. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO GO TO — TO HAVE AN ARGUMENT WITH CHINA. THE THING IS WE CAN’T ALWAYS HAVE DISPUTE WITH THESE GIANT AND IMPORTANT COUNTRIES. THEY’RE PORK PRODUCERS WHO ARE PAYING THE PRICE. WE NEED TO MAINTAIN TRADING RELATIONSHIPS WITH CHINA. WE SHOULD THINK OF SAUDI ARABIA AND HOW WE WERE TREATED WITH THE SALE OF ARMS.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE THEME. WE’RE GOING TO DISCUSS CHINA FURTHER AND THIS DIPLOMATIC CRISIS. FOR 10 MONTHS NOW, AS WAS MENTIONED, THERE ARE TWO CANADIANS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPRISONED IN CHINA FOR RETALIATION FOR THE REST OF MENG WANZHOU, C.F.O. OF HUAWEI. YOU WANT TO IMPOSE CUSTOMS ON CHINESE PRODUCTS? ARE YOU IMPOSING THE TRUMP METHOD?>>NOT AT ALL. THIS CONTRAST, JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S IDLENESS DURING THIS CRISIS, JUSTIN TRUDEAU DID NOTHING. IT TOOK HIM NINE MONTHS TO APPOINT A NEW AMBASSADOR. IT’S ONLY JUST BEFORE DROPPING THE WRIT THAT HE FILED A COMPLAINT AT THE WORLD TRADE TRIBUNAL. WE WILL SHOW THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT WE WILL DEFEND OUR INTERESTS. WE WILL DEFEND OUR FARMERS AND PRODUCERS AND DEFEND CANADIANS WHO ARE DETAINED.>>ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT’S EXCUSE OF NOT WANTING TO STEP INTO THE HUAWEI AFFAIR IS THAT THE PRIME MINISTER CANNOT HAVE A SAY IN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. BUT FOR THE SNC-LAVALIN CASE, JUSTIN TRUDEAU TRIED TO BUT IN. THAT WOULD BE — TRUDEAU SAID ONE THING ON ONE END AND DID SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.>>CANADA HAS THE SAME WEIGHT RELATIVE TO CHINA, STATES OR EUROPE IN TRADING RELATIONS WITH EUROPE HAS ALWAYS WORKED.>>OKAY, BUT WHY DID THIS START GOING DOWN THE DRAIN RECENTLY? IT’S BECAUSE CANADA HAS NO CREDIBILITY. WE’VE BEEN DISCREDITED. THIS IS WHY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES CAN DENY SOMETHING THAT IS IN A PRESS RELEASE. MOCK THE PRIME MINISTER. THIS IS A MATTER OF RESPECT.>>CANADA’S FOREIGN POLICY MUST BE GROUNDED IN THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF CANADIANS. AND I’D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE TALKING HERE ABOUT IMMIGRATION POLICY. AND I’M THE ONLY ONE HERE ON THIS STAGE WHO IS PREPARED TO SAY NO TO THE LEGAULT GOVERNMENT WHEN IT COMES TO IMMIGRATION. THEY WANT TO LOWER IMMIGRATION. MR. SCHEER WANTS MORE AND MORE IMMIGRANTS. HE AGREES WITH MR. TRUDEAU. YOU PROPOSED NO SOLUTION TO PREVENT THOSE WHO ARE CROSSING AT ROXHAM ROAD.>>TO BE CLEAR ON IMMIGRATION, HE WANTS TO LOWER IMMIGRATION LEVELS, WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON THAT?>>I WANT TO QUÉBEC AND ALL QUÉBECERS THE SAME THING, THERE IS A LACK OF LABOUR. AND I WORKED WITH MR. LEGAULT TO GIVE MORE AUTONOMY WHEN IT COMES TO IMMIGRATION. JUSTIN TRUDEAU WILL REMAIN AS PRIME MINISTER IN THAT SITUATION. AND THAT WOULD GUARANTEE –>>I’D LIKE TO SPEAK IF I MAY –>>JUSTIN TRUDEAU WITH WHAT THE GOAL IS.>>VOTING FOR THE BLOC IS VOTING FOR THE LIBERALS. VOTING FOR THE BLOC IS VOTING FOR QUÉBEC. WE WILL SIT IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS. IT’S A DEMOCRACY. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, MR. LEGAULT AND QUÉBEC HAVE ASKED THE POWERS, ALL THE IMMIGRATION POWERS. WE SHOULD ALL COMMIT TO GIVE QUÉBEC EVERY POWER PERTAINING TO IMMIGRATION.>>YOU LIKE TO CLAIM THAT YOU ARE MR. LEGAULT’S BEST FRIEND, BUT, PLEASE BE HONEST WITH ME. AFTER THE ELECTION, YOU ARE WORKING FOR CANADIANS? [Speaking Simultaneously] WHO WILL YOU VOTE FOR IN THE NEXT PROVINCIAL ELECTION?>>I CAN –>>BEST FRIEND WITH LEGAULT, BE HONEST WITH CANADIANS — [Speaking Simultaneously] >>WITH THE PARTI QUÉBÉCOIS >>HERE IS THE BEST EXAMPLE OF CACOPHONY AND WE HAVE 48 SECONDS LEFT. TOO BAD FOR YOU.>>48 SECONDS. NO ONLY 20 SECONDS MR. BERNIER.>>I DON’T THINK YOU’RE BEING FAIR WITH THE SPEAKING TIME. THE FACT IS MR. SCHEER DOESN’T AGREE WITH MR. LEGAULT. HE WANTS INTERVIEWS WITH EACH IMMIGRANT. SO THIS IS A TEST TO ENSURE THEY SHARE OUR CANADIAN VALUES. AND THE ROXHAM ROAD ISSUE, WE HAVEN’T TRIED TO FIX THAT. IF WE WANT MORE ECONOMIC IMMIGRANTS, WE NEED TO HELP THE REAL REFUGEES. MR. SCHEER, 10 SECONDS. MR. BLANCHET 10 SECONDS.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): I WILL FOCUS ON REFUGEES THAT FLEE NATURAL DISASTER, NOT THOSE FROM NEW YORK STATE. I WILL FIX THAT.>>HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT?>>IN ROXHAM ROAD FOR EXAMPLE –>>SHOULD APPLY SECTION 10 OF THE SAFE THIRD PARTIES. WE CAN CLOSE DOWN THE ROXHAM PASS. AND, TWO, ONLY –>>CONSERVATIVES –>>SEE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO.>>ANOTHER THREE-WAY DEBATE. MR. SINGH, MS. MAY, MR. TRUDEAU. MR. TRUDEAU, WE’RE GOING TO MOVE ON WITH THE DISCUSSION ON IMMIGRATION. ARE YOU READY TO GIVE POWERS TO QUÉBEC AS ASKED BY THE PREMIER IN TERMS OF IMMIGRATION. THERE IS THE WHOLE VALUES TEST AND AN ISSUE OF LEVEL OF CERTAIN CATEGORIES.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): MR. LEGAULT LOWERED THE IMMIGRATION LEVEL BECAUSE QUÉBEC HAS A LOT OF POWER OVER IMMIGRATION, MORE THAN ANY OTHER PROVINCE. AND THAT’S A GOOD THING BECAUSE OF THE QUÉBEC IDENTITY AND THE NEED TO PROTECT THE FRENCH LANGUAGE. IF HE WANTS TO APPLY A VALUES TEST, WELL, HE CAN DO THAT. AND IT’S APPROPRIATE. WE RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE THAT QUÉBEC HAS MORE CONTROL OVER IMMIGRATION. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO WORK WELL WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF QUÉBEC ON OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): THE GREEN PARTY IS ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO TALKING WITH MR. LEGAULT BECAUSE AS GREENS WE ARE ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE QUÉBEC NATION AS EQUALS, BUT AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, WE ARE COMMITTED TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF IMMIGRANTS FOR TWO REASONS. WE NEED WORKERS AND AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE OBLIGATIONS BECAUSE WE’RE AN INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY, WE HAVE CONTRIBUTED MORE THAN OUR POPULATION TO THE CRISIS. AND WE HAVE CLIMATE REFUGEES AS WELL.>>QUÉBEC, IT’S VERY IMPORTANT, WE WANT TO BETTER FUND INTEGRATION OF NEWCOMERS, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING I’M CONCERNED ABOUT. MR. BLANCHET SAID VOTING FOR THE BLOC IS VOTING FOR QUÉBEC. THAT BUGS ME A LITTLE BIT. BECAUSE, YES, YOU’RE THE BLK BLOC, BUT QUÉBEC HAS DIVERSITY OF OPINIONS, DIVERSITY OF REGIONS. YOU HAVE NO MONOPOLY OVER QUÉBEC.>>I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING. I’M A PROUD QUÉBECER, FEDERALIST AND PROUD CANADIAN. WHAT WE SAW IN 2015, QUÉBECERS CHOSE TO BE PART OF A GOVERNMENT. THAT’S WHAT BROUGHT AN END TO TEN YEARS OF MR. HARPER. MR. HARPER WHO DIDN’T INVEST IN CULTURE, WHO MADE CUTS ACROSS THE BOARD AND PROPOSED AUSTERITY. NOW BLOC QUEBECOIS WANTS TO COME BACK ON THE SCENE. DO QUÉBECERS WANT TO BE PART OF A GOVERNMENT THAT WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT AGAINST CLIMATE CHANGE? CONTINUE TO WORK HAND-IN-HAND WITH QUÉBEC ON SHARED PRIORITIES? THAT’S WHAT WE’VE BEEN DOING FOR FOUR YEARS AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO.>>MR. TRUDEAU, THIS IS ALL GREAT RHETORIC, BUT YOU HAVE MET WITH PEOPLE FROM THE OIL PATCH, 1500 TIMES. THEN YOU BOUGHT A PIPELINE.>>WE’RE NOT ON THE TOPIC — I’M SORRY, BUT THIS IS OFF TOPIC. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT IMMIGRATION. I ACCEPTED THIS BECAUSE POWERS OF QUÉBEC AND IMMIGRATION IS SOMEWHAT RELATED, BUT WE’RE NOT GOING BACK TO PIPELINES.>>WITH REGARD TO IMMIGRATION, MR. TRUDEAU, SOMETHING THAT YOU PROMISED NEVER TO DO, AND THAT WAS TO HIDE LEGISLATION IN BUDGET BILLS AND THEN HIDDEN THINGS WITH VIOLATION OF REFUGEE’S LIFE. IT WAS HIDDEN IN AN OMBUDSMAN BILL. SO IT WAS SOMETHING, THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE LOOKING FOR A LIFE HERE IN CANADA.>>THAT IS FALSE, MS. MAY. WE UNDERSTAND THAT CANADIANS BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A FAIR AND STRONG IMMIGRATION SYSTEM THAT APPLIES TO EVERYONE. AND WE ARE WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROTECT HUMAN RIGHTS AT THE INTERNATIONAL LEVEL. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE WHO ARRIVES AT OUR BORDER, HOWEVER THEY GET TO THE BORDER, GOES THROUGH ALL OF OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM, WHETHER THEY’RE REGULAR OR IRREGULAR. WE HAVE A STRONG SYSTEM. BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO TRADE AN FEAR AND DIVISION.>>CLEAR SOLUTION TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF IRREGULAR CROSSINGS AND THAT IS TO SUSPEND THE SAFE THIRD COUNTRY AGREEMENT, BUT YOU DON’T HAVE THE COURAGE TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU DON’T HAVE THE COURAGE TO CONDEMN SOMEONE LIKE TRUMP WHO IS PUTTING CHILDREN BEHIND BARS. WHY DO YOU NOT HAVE THE COURAGE TO SAY NO TO TRUMP AND SUSPEND THE SAFE THIRD COUNTRY AGREEMENT?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): I WOULD APPRECIATE TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UNITED STATES, BECAUSE WE’RE TALKING ABOUT INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS AND OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE AMERICANS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT RELATIONSHIP FOR OUR COUNTRY AND FOR A CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER. WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE NAFTA WHEN FACED WITH AMERICAN –>>NAFTA, YOU OPENED UP BREACH IN SUPPLY MANAGEMENT. YOU INCREASED PRICES –>>BUT THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT SAFE THIRD COUNTRY AGREEMENT.>>YES. WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE AMERICANS.>>THAT’S A NO.>>RAPID FIRE QUESTIONS TO EACH OF THE LEADERS. GENTLEMEN, GOOD EVENING. FIRST QUESTION FOR MR. TRUDEAU. MANY CANADIANS WROTE TO US WITH THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THE FACT THAT ABOUT 50 MIGRANTS CROSSED AT ROXHAM ROAD AT THE CANADIAN BORDER EVERY DAY, IS THAT A PROBLEM FOR YOU?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): YES, THAT’S A PROBLEM. BECAUSE WE’RE NOW IN A WORLD WHERE THERE ARE 75 MILLION DISPLACED PERSONS. WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PEOPLE GO THROUGH OUR ENTIRE IMMIGRATION SYSTEM AND THAT IS WHAT WE’RE DOING. WE’VE MADE THE NECESSARY INVESTMENTS AND THERE IS NO FREE PASS TO GET THROUGH THE BORDER, WHETHER PEOPLE ARRIVE IN A REGULAR OR IRREGULAR WAY AT THE BORDER. THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SECURITY CHECK AND GO THROUGH EVERY STEP OF THE IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): CLIMATE CHANGE IS AN ISSUE FOR THE ENTIRE PLANET, NOT JUST CANADA, YET IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, CHINA INTENDS TO OPEN SIX NEW COAL PLANTS EVERY MONTH. HOW CAN WE ENSURE THAT CANADIANS WILL NOT BE OBLITERATED BY THE ACTIONS OF OTHER COUNTRIES?>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO GUARANTEE ANYTHING THAT I’M ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT CANADA KEEPS DOING WHAT IT’S DOING NOW, AS A RICH INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY, WITH INCREASE IN GREENHOUSE GASES, IT’S IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO PLAY A ROLE WORLDWIDE IN U.N. NEGOTIATIONS. IN THE PAST WE HAD THE ROLE OF A LEADER. WE HAVE LOST THAT ROLE BECAUSE OF OUR FAILURE AGAINST THE DISASTER OF CLIMATE CHANGE. I AM CONVINCED WITH A PLAN LIKE MISSION POSSIBLE WE CAN STILL PLAY THE ROLE.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): YOU WANT CANADA TO TAKE IN FEWER IMMIGRANTS AND FEWER REFUGEES. YOU WANT TO CUT POORER COUNTRIES AND YOU WANT CANADA TO WITH DRAW FROM THE U.N. DOES CANADA HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY ON THE WORLD STAGE.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): OF COURSE, CANADA HAS A ROLE TO PLAY ON THE WORLD STAGE ALONG THE ALLIES. WE HAVE TO HELP HOME FIRST. YOU’RE RIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO IMMIGRATION, MR. TRUDEAU SUGGESTED EARLIER THAT OUR IMMIGRATION IS RADICAL. 40% OF CANADIANS WANT TO LOWER IMMIGRATION LEVELS. WE’RE THE ONLY PARTY THAT DARES TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS. WE’RE THE ONLY PARTY THAT WANTS TO STEM THE TIDE OF MASS IMMIGRATION. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON ECONOMIC IMMIGRANTS. THERE IS ALWAYS A SOCIAL COST TO HAVING UNBRIDLED IMMIGRATION, UNFETTERED IMMIGRATION. LOOK AT THE RISING HOUSING COSTS IN TORONTO AND VANCOUVER. 40% OF IMMIGRANTS FLOW INTO THOSE CITIES AND THAT PUTS PRESSURE ON THE HOUSING MARKETS.>>THANK YOU. MR. SCHEER? MR. SCHEER, YOU WOULD CUT DEVELOPMENT AID BY 25%, THAT WOULD BRING CANADA’S CONTRIBUTION TO THE LOWEST LEVEL SINCE 1965, DOESN’T THAT GO AGAINST CANADIAN?>>>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): NOT AT ALL. WE’LL ELIMINATE 25% OF FOREIGN AID THAT CURRENTLY GOES TO COUNTRIES THAT ARE RELATIVELY RICH. WE WILL KEEP THAT 25% HERE TO MAKE CANADIANS’ LIVES MORE AFFORDABLE. WE’LL PAY FOR THE UNIVERSAL TAX CUT. $850 FOR AN AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD. WE’LL ELIMINATE P.S.T. FOR SOME.>>WHILE CUTTING AID TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES?>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): WE’LL ALSO ELIMINATE CORPORATE SUBSIDIES. WE’LL HAVE A COSTED PLATFORM VERY SOON. AS OPPOSED TO MR. TRUDEAU WHO IS HIDING THE COSTING OF OVER 50% OF HIS COMMITMENTS.>>MR. BLANCHET, YOU SAID THAT CANADA SHOULD HAVE MINDED ITS OWN BUSINESS AND NOT ARRESTED HUAWEI’S CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, MENG WANZHOU ON THE REQUEST OF THE U.S. IN YOUR VIEW, IS THE RULE OF LAW NEGOTIABLE BASED ON HOW POWERFUL A COUNTRY IS?>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): THE TRUTH IS THAT THE UNITED STATES DECIDED TO CALL UPON TRADE. IT WAS NOT A CRIMINAL THING. IT WAS LINKED TO SANCTIONS THAT CANADA SHOULD NOT FOLLOW UP ON. AND WHEN YOU’RE ON THE ICE AGAINST A POWERFUL OPPONENT LIKE CHINA, IT IS QUÉBEC PRODUCERS AND THE WESTERN PRODUCERS WHO PAY THE PRICE IN THE END. I THINK THE GOVERNMENT ACTED IRRESPONSIBLY. THE AMERICANS DIDN’T COME AND HELP US.>>HOW CAN YOU ENFORCE THE EXTRADITION TREATY IF WE DON’T RESPOND TO OUR ALLIES?>>EXTRADITION ISSUE IS RELATED TO COMMERCIAL SANCTIONS IMPOSED BY AMERICANS.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BLANCHET. MR. SINGH, EVERY TIME CANADA SIGNS A TRADE AGREEMENT, BE IT WITH THE U.S. OR EUROPE, THE N.D.P. OBJECTS. DO YOU BELIEVE IN FREE TRADE OR ARE YOU PROTECTIONIST?>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): MY OPINION IT DEPENDS WHAT KIND OF TRADE. IF IT’S GOOD FOR WORKERS, THEN IT’S A GOOD DEAL. BUT WHAT WE’VE SEEN WITH MR. TRUDEAU AND MR. SCHEER, TOO, AS CONSERVATIVE, THEY WANT TRADE THAT GIVES ALL THE POWER AND ALL THE BENEFITS TO THE WEALTHIEST. BUT THAT DOESN’T HELP WORKERS. WHAT I WANT TO SEE IS TRADE DEALS THAT BENEFIT WORKERS. I DON’T WORK FOR THE RICH. I WORK FOR YOU. FOR CANADIANS.>>MR. SINGH, THE EUROPE AND –>>VALUES –>>WHEN IT COMES TO CANADA –>>SIGN AGREEMENT WITH THEM.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): WITH NAFTA, THERE IS A BREACH THAT HAS BEEN OPENED UP IN SUPPLY MANAGEMENT. THERE IS HIGHER DRUG PRICES. AND NO PROTECTIONS FOR WORKERS OR THE ENVIRONMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT THEME. IDENTITY, ETHICS AND GOVERNANCE. WE’RE GOING TO WATCH THIS SCENE WHICH IS A QUESTION FROM A CANADIAN IN MONTREAL. GOOD EVENING.>>GOOD EVENING.>>WE’RE LISTENING, THE LEADERS ARE LISTENING TO YOUR QUESTION.>>I AM 63 YEARS OLD. I HAVE MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS. I’VE HAD IT FOR 30 YEARS AND SEVERE RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS SINCE I WAS 12 YEARS OLD. I AM IN PAIN. I CAN’T WALK. I WEAR DIAPERS. I HAVE BED SORES. THAT’S NOT THE END OF IT. IN ORDER THAT YOU ONE DAY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DIE IN DIGNITY, WILL YOU PROMISE VOTERS, YES OR NO, TO SOFTEN THE CURRENT LEGISLATION AS RECOMMENDED BY JUDGE BOREDWAY OF THE QUÉBEC SUPERIOR COURT WITHOUT OF COURSE CREATING ADDITIONAL OBSTACLES? THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU. WE’LL COME BACK TO YOU AFTER THE ANSWERS.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): MS. PIGEON, I AM TRULY TOUCHED BY YOUR SITUATION AND I OFFER YOU MY SYMPATHIES AND I OFFER YOU A COMMITMENT, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CHANGE THAT LEGISLATION. I HAVE MADE EFFORTS IN PARLIAMENT WHEN STARTED A BILL THE TO ALLOW THE RIGHT TO DIE WITH DIGNITY AND TO GIVE THE PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE THE TIME TO DIE WITH DIGNITY. AND I WILL DO THE SAME THING IN THE NEXT PARLIAMENT.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): MADAME, MY ANSWER IS YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING THE COURAGE TO ASK SUCH A DIFFICULT QUESTION. AND FOR SHARING YOUR DIFFICULT STORY. THAT TAKES A LOT OF COURAGE AND I’D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. CLEARLY WITH THE QUÉBEC COURT DECISION, THE OPTIONS ARE TOO LIMITED AND DIGNITY IS BEING DENIED. WHAT I WOULD DO IS REMOVE THE RESTRICTIONS. IT’S TOO LIMITED. I WANT TO GIVE YOU MORE 0 AUTONOMY, MORE POWER TO DIE WITH DIGNITY. IT’S A DIFFICULT DECISION, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT IMPORTANT RIGHT, SO YES, I AGREE IT CAN BE DONE.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUSLY YES. THIS IS A PHENOMENON. IT’S LAW. IT’S A PHILOSOPHY THAT IS NEW BOTH IN QUÉBEC AND CANADA. I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU, AS WELL AS THOSE WHO WENT BEFORE THE COURT, BECAUSE YOU STARTED TO OWN THIS ISSUE. AND YOU SAID WE WANT TO PARTICIPATE AND WE WANT TO DECIDE HOW THIS WILL APPLY. I BELIEVE THAT GOVERNMENTS MUST COMMIT RESPECTING THIS JUDGMENT. OF COURSE, WE CAN WORK ON IMPROVING THESE LAWS, BUT, YES, THE RULING CAN BE RESPECTED.>>THANK YOU, MS. PIGEON FOR YOUR QUESTION AND BEING HERE THIS EVENING. THIS IS A VERY PERSONAL QUESTION FOR PEOPLE AND FAMILIES AND WE NEED TO BE THERE AS A GOVERNMENT TO HELP YOU, TO HELP YOU NAVIGATE THESE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS. YES, WE ARE GOING TO RELAX THE LAW IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS BECAUSE WE HAVE RECOGNIZED FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THIS WAS A NEW LAW. WE HAD TO FIND A BALANCE BETWEEN PROTECTING THE MOST VULNERABLE AND RESPECTING PEOPLES’ RIGHTS AND PEOPLES’ INDIVIDUAL CHOICES. AND WE UNDERSTOOD EVEN THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN WE PROPOSED THIS LAW, THAT THE COURTS AND THAT SOCIETY, EVERYONE WAS GOING TO EVOLVE. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO EVOLVE WITH THEM.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR QUESTION. AND YOU HAVE ALL MY SYMPATHIES. THIS IS A VERY PERSONAL ISSUE FOR YOU. I THINK THAT THIS IS A SUBJECT ON WHICH BOTH PARTIES IN PARLIAMENT TRY TO UNITE TO RESPOND TO TRIBUNAL DECISIONS WHILE TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE TO PROTECT VULNERABLE PEOPLE. WE WILL ALWAYS RESPECT COURT DECISIONS, AT THE SAME TIME WE WILL EVALUATE THE DECISION, LIKE MR. BLANCHET SAYS, THIS IS A COMPLETELY NEW SYSTEM. AND SO WE NEED TO TRY TO FIND THE RIGHT PATH FORWARD.>>CONCLUSION, MR. BERNIER.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): IT NEEDS TO BE OVERHAULED. I CAN TELL YOU I DID VOTE IN FAVOUR OF THE BILL TO DIE WITH DIGNITY. WE’RE IN FAVOUR OF INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY AND FREEDOM AS THE PEOPLE’S PARTY OF CANADA AND I AM PREPARED TO MAKE AN UNDERTAKING TO HAVE THIS LEGISLATION OVERHAULED. SUCH THAT THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MAKE THIS DIFFICULT CHOICE WITH THEIR LOVED ONES BY THEIR SIDE, SO THEY ARE ABLE TO MAKE THIS DIFFICULT CHOICE. AND YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE’S PARTY OF CANADA.>>MS. PIGEON, YOU ARE SO COURAGEOUS FOR BEING HERE WITH US TONIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. [APPLAUSE]>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FOR BEING SO BRAVE. FOR COMING HERE THIS EVENING. I KNOW IT WASN’T EASY, BUT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DEBATE. AND THINGS ARE GOING TO ADVANCE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, HAVE A GOOD EVENING.>>THANK YOU.>>ONTO OUR NEXT THREE-WAY DEBATE. MR. SINGH, MR. TRUDEAU, AND MR. BERNIER. OBVIOUSLY WE RECEIVED A LOT OF E-MAILS ABOUT SECULARISM. SO I’M GOING TO ASK ALL THREE OF YOU A RATHER SIMPLE QUESTION. ARE YOU GOING TO INTERVENE TO CHALLENGE BILL 21 ON SECULARISM? AND IF SO, AT WHAT STAGE? GIVE US DETAILS, BECAUSE WE GET THE IMPRESSION YOU’RE BEING REALLY CAUTIOUS TO NOT DISPLEASE QUÉBEC’S VOTERS. AND THINGS ARE BEING VERY CONFUSING. SO PLEASE BE CLEAR, MR. SINGH.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): OKAY. I’VE ALWAYS BEEN CLEAR. I DO NOT WANT TO INTERVENE. WHAT I DO WANT TO DO IS ALWAYS FIGHT AGAINST DIVISION. I’M AGAINST DISCRIMINATION. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE FACE DISCRIMINATION IN THEIR LIVES. IT’S WHOLLY UNACCEPTABLE. BUT I WANT PEOPLE TO GET TO KNOW ME IN QUÉBEC AND ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I SPEAK TO PEOPLE, YES, I WEAR A TURBAN, BUT I’M IN FAVOUR OF THE RIGHT TO ABORTION, I’M IN FAVOUR OF FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE. SURE, I WEAR A TURBAN, BUT WE SHARE THE SAME VALUES. IT’S ALL ABOUT VALUES. IF YOU WANT TO PROTECT SOCIETY, YOU NEED TO REINFORCE WOMEN’S RIGHTS. THEIR RIGHT TO CHOOSE. THAT’S HOW YOU CREATE A FAIRER SOCIETY. THAT’S WHAT I’M WILLING TO DO.>>I’VE BEEN CLEAR AS WELL. WE WILL NOT INTERVENE AT THIS STAGE BECAUSE THIS IS A QUESTION, AN ISSUE WHERE QUÉBECERS ARE CHALLENGING THIS UNFAIR LAW, OR THIS LAW THEY FIND UNFAIR BEFORE THE COURTS. IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE FOR A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO CLOSE THE DOOR TO EVER INTERVENING AT A FUTURE STAGE WHEN FREEDOMS AND FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS ARE AT ISSUE. WE NEED TO BE THERE TO PROTECT FRANCOPHONES OUTSIDE OF QUÉBEC. WE NEED TO FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF THE WOMEN, FOR THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY AND THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES. I WILL FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT OF EVERYONE.>>TRUDEAU HAS JUST TOLD US HE WOULD GET INVOLVED AND MR. SINGH SAID THE OPPOSITE TO WHAT HE SAID IN ENGLISH JUST A FEW DAYS AGO. NOT SURE YOU FINISHED MR. SINGH. I WILL STICK BY MY WORD. THIS IS THE QUÉBEC AREA OF JURISDICTION. SECULARISM IN QUÉBEC IS THE WAY THINGS ARE NOW. IT’S A QUÉBEC JURISDICTION. WE HAVE TO HONOUR THAT. AND WE CAN’T STEP IN AND RIDE ROUGHSHOD OVER QUÉBEC’S AREAS OF JURISDICTION. WE’RE NOT GOING TO INTERVENE LIKE MR. TRUDEAU HAS INDICATED HE WILL. AND WE’RE NOT GOING TO HEM-AND-HAW.>>MR. SINK SINGH, YOU SAID YOU WOULD INTERVENE AT THE SUPREME COURT STAGE. CAN YOU GIVE US MORE DETAILS?>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): I SIMPLY REPEATED A FACT, WHAT MR. TRUDEAU SAID, I REPEATED IT. WHAT I SAID CLEARLY WAS I DO NOT WANT TO INTERVENE. WHAT I DO WANT TO DO IS WIN OVER THE HEARTS OF PEOPLE. THAT’S WHAT I’VE ALWAYS SAID. THAT’S WHAT I WANT TO DO. BECAUSE I KNOW THE POLITICS OF DIVISION IS NOT GOOD FOR SOCIETY. IT’S HARMFUL.>>I WAS CLEAR THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MIGHT NEED TO INTERVENE, BUT IT’S NOT GUARANTEED, MR. BERNIER, BECAUSE WE’RE GOING TO LET THE COURT CASE FOLLOW ITS COURSE. BUT I THINK THAT THE CANADIANS EXPECT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO BE THERE TO DEFEND FRANCOPHONE COMMUNITIES, IF THE GOVERNMENT UNDER DOUG FORD WANTED TO TODAY TACK — ATTACK FRANCOPHONES IN ONTARIO, IT’S EXPECTED THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD BE THERE TO PROTECT THEM. WE WILL BE THERE TO DEFEND FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS FOR ALL.>>MR. BERNIER.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): HERE’S MY TAKE ON THE MATTER. IT’S QUITE SIMPLE. THERE IS A CONSENSUS IN QUÉBEC AROUND SECULARISM AND YOUR POSITION IS TO, IN FACT, MEDDLE IN A PROVINCIAL AREA OF JURISDICTION, TELL QUÉBEC WHAT TO DO IN ITS OWN BACKYARD WE IN THE PEOPLE’S PARTY OF CANADA ARE GOING TO RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION. WE’RE NOT GOING TO MEDDLE. IN FACT, MR. LEGAULT HAD POLITICAL GUTS TO DO WHAT HE DID. AND I RESPECT THAT. I REALLY RESPECT THAT. AND YOU KNOW — >>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): MR. TRUDEAU AFFECTED WOMEN’S RIGHTS. IT’S ONE THING TO SAY YOU SUPPORT THEM. IT’S ANOTHER THING TO ACTUALLY DO IT. AND NOW THE ONLY PLACE IN NEW BRUNSWICK THAT OFFERS ABORTION SERVICES IS SET TO CLOSE. AND YOU’VE DONE NOTHING TO PROTECT THAT CLINIC IN NEW BRUNSWICK. HOW CAN YOU SAY ONE THING, I’M IN FAVOUR OF THIS, BUT IN PRIVATE, IT’S THE NO NOT THE SAME.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DECISION OF THE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT IN NEW BRUNSWICK WHICH IS TAKING A STEP BACKWARDS FOR WOMEN’S RIGHTS. WE WORKED WITH THE FORMER LIBERAL GOVERNMENT IN NEW BRUNSWICK TO IMPROVE ACCESS TO ABORTION SERVICES AND NOW WE SEE A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT THAT HAS BEEN ELECTED THAT IS NOT THERE TO DEFEND THE RIGHT OF WOMEN. AND THAT’S THE DANGER OF MR. SCHEER, HE WON’T BE THERE TO DEFEND THE RIGHTS OF WOMEN.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE’RE GOING TO MOVE AHEAD NOW. WITH ANOTHER THREE-WAY TRIO. MS. MAY, MR. SCHEER, MR. BLANCHET. WE’RE GOING TO GO BACK TO SECULARISM LATER. WE’RE GOING TO KEEP WITH THE THEME OF ABORTION. MR. SCHEER, CAN YOU COMMIT TO IMPROVING ACCESS TO ABORTION DESPITE YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS?>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): FOR THE FINAL TIME, I’VE ALWAYS BEEN CLEAR ON THE MATTER. I AM PERSONALLY PRO-LIFE, BUT WE WILL NOT CHANGE ACCESS TO ABORTION OR OUR LAWS. IT DIDN’T CHANGE UNDER THE PREVIOUS LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT. IT WILL NOT CHANGE WITH MY NEXT GOVERNMENT.>>GO BACK TO SECULARISM NOW. A QUESTION FOR YOU. SO I’M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE THREE-WAY DEBATE. IF THE SUPREME COURT WERE TO OVERTURN THE QUÉBEC SECULARISM LAW, PART OF IT OR ALL OF IT, IN YOUR OPINION WOULD THIS REVIVE THE SOVEREIGNTIST OPTION?>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE OF QUÉBEC WOULD DO IF THAT WERE TO BE THE CASE. FOR QUÉBECERS, THE NOTION OF SECULARISM IS A PROGRESSIVE VALUE THAT COMES FROM THE QUIET REVOLUTION. IT’S FAIR. IT’S FAIR FOR MEN AND WOMEN. IT IS NOT RESTRICTIVE IN THE HEART AND MIND OF QUÉBECERS. I APPRECIATE THAT SOME SAY IT’S UP TO QUÉBEC TO DECIDE. MR. SINGH YOU’RE NOT SAYING THE SAME THING IN ENGLISH AND FRENCH. WHEN WE’RE TALKING ABOUT SECULARISM, THEY TALK ABOUT THE RIGHT TO ABORTION. QUÉBECERS NEED TO KNOW THAT IT WILL ELECT PEOPLE WHO ARE IN FAVOUR OF SECULARISM. THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD LOSE BEFORE TO THE SUPREME COURT, WOULD THEY FEEL THAT IS AN INSTITUTIONAL LACK OF RESPECT?>>WELL, SOME MIGHT ASK THEMSELVES THAT QUESTION. I’M CONVINCED THAT IS NOT THE LEGAULT GOVERNMENT INTENTION, THAT IS NOT A SOVEREIGNTIST.>>I’M THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS BEEN CLEAR ON THE MATTER. WE WILL NOT INTERVENE. WE DIDN’T ONLY SAY WE DIDN’T WANT TO. WE SAID WE WON’T. THAT WAS MY POSITION AT THE BEGINNING. IT’S MY POSITION TODAY. IT WILL BE MY POSITION AFTER THE ELECTION. WHAT IS CLEAR IS THAT MR. BLANCHET’S PRIORITY IS TO TRY AND STIR UP SOVEREIGNISM ONCE AGAIN. HE WILL WORK WITH THE PARTI QUÉBÉCOIS THE SECOND THE ELECTION IS OVER TO LEAD TO A NEW REFERENDUM. THAT’S CLEAR.>>I DO NOT WANT TO INTERVENE EITHER. BUT I THINK IT’S A BIT STRANGE IN A FEDERAL ELECTION, AND I AGREE WITH CHANTAL HÉBERT THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR A FEDERAL ELECTION. WE HAD A DEBATE ON BILL 21. I THINK WE TALKED MORE ABOUT THAT THAN THE CLIMATE CRISIS THROUGHOUT THIS ELECTION. AND THAT WORRIES ME. I HOPE THAT QUÉBECERS AND QUÉBEC AS A NATION WILL REMAIN AN INCLUSIVE SOCIETY. I THINK THAT IS AN ISSUE FOR QUÉBEC AND QUÉBECERS. BUT RIGHT NOW, PLEASE, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NORTH OF CANADA. IN THE ARCTIC. PEOPLE IN THE ATLANTIC REGION WE HAVEN’T TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE DEBATE.>>IF WE COULD JUST TALK ABOUT THIS FOR A COUPLE OF SECONDS. MR. TRUDEAU SAID SOMETHING SO STRANGE. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT LAW 21, BILL 21, BUT HE IS OBSESSED WITH ONTARIO POLITICS AND PROVINCIAL POLITICS. HE EVEN PUT A HYPOTHETICAL THREAT TO JUSTIFY HIS POSITION, HIS INCOHERENT POSITION ON THIS MATTER.>>BUT HE’S THE ONLY ONE THAT THINKS ABOUT BIZARRE THINGS, YOU SAID SOMETHING BIZARRE.>>LET ME SPEAK FOR A FEW SECONDS HERE. YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE LEGAULT GOVERNMENT IS BASICALLY A POND OF A BLOC STRATEGY AND THEN WE’RE GOING TO –>>DOESN’T MAKE SENSE –>>YOU PLAY THE –>>OCTOBER 21 IS NOT THE DAY OF THE REFERENDUM. IT’S A FEDERAL ELECTION. WHEN QUÉBECERS WILL SAY, DO NOT SEND TO OTTAWA PEOPLE WHO WILL DO WHAT YOU –>>MR. LEGAULT’S BEST FRIEND –>>I’VE NEVER –>>YOU’RE HIDING YOUR TRUE INTENTIONS SO THAT YOU CAN FERMENT THE MORE SOVEREIGNISM IN QUÉBEC.>>YOU’RE ON THE RIGHT WAY TO –>>MY POLICY IS IMPROVE TO REDUCE TAXES AND MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE. [Speaking Simultaneously] >>STOP SQUABBLING, PLEASE. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.>>MS. MAY, GO AHEAD.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): WITH REGARD TO BILL 21, I THINK ALL THE LEADERS HAVE PROBLEM WITH EVERYONE SAYING IT’S A FEDERAL LEVEL, EXCEPT MR. BERNIER, THAT WE’RE AGAINST THE BILL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE TO RESPECT QUÉBEC AND THE COURT DECISION. WE HAVE TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE CHALLENGE THAT IS ONGOING.>>THANK YOU, MS. MAY. WE LET YOU SPEAK. A QUESTION, RAPID FIRE QUESTION, THERE IS A LOT OF TALK IN RECENT MONTHS IN CANADA, IN POLITICS, I’LL ASK YOU ALL THE SAME QUESTION. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE A REMEDIATION AGREEMENT FOR SNC-LAVALIN? SO THAT IT OR ANY COMPANY IS NOT FOUND GUILTY OF CORRUPTION OR BANNED FROM CONTRACTS FOR TEN YEARS.>>I’M THE ONLY PARTY, THE ONLY LEADER THAT SAID NO CORPORATION IS ABOVE THE LAW. NO COMPANY IS ABOVE THE LAW. NOR SHOULD IT BE. NOW MR. TRUDEAU’S GOVERNMENT HAS IN FACT PUT A PAUSE IN CANADIAN — CLAUDE CLAUSE IN CANADIAN LEGISLATION THAT ALLOWS A WAY OUT FOR CORRUPT COMPANIES. ALL COMPANIES BE TREATED EQUALLY. IF THEY’RE NOT TREATED IN THAT MANNER, THEN CANADIANS WILL LOSE FAITH IN OUR LEGAL SYSTEM. IN OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM. IT HAS TO BE ACROSS THE BOARD.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): IT’S SO HARD TO SAY THIS, BUT THIS IS THE ONLY TIME I WILL AGREE WITH MR. BERNIER IN MY LIFE. BUT IN THIS CASE, YES.>>WE HAVE TO HAVE A DEBATE HERE.>>THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME, BUT, YES, CLEARLY. WHAT HAPPENED WAS MR. TRUDEAU TRIED TO HELP HIS C.E.O. CRONIES, NOT WORKERS. WHAT DOES PRIME MINISTER DOES IS HELP OUT HIS BUDDIES, HIS CRONIES. WHEN THEY CALL, HE SAYS I’LL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. BUT I’M IN FAVOUR OF PEOPLE. I WORK FOR PEOPLE. I WORK FOR WORKERS. THAT’S WHAT I’M HERE FOR. WE WANT A SYSTEM –>>MR. TRUDEAU?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): ALMOST ALL OF OUR ALLIES IN EUROPE AND AROUND THE WORLD HAVE A DEFERRED PROSECUTION AGREEMENT SYSTEM WHICH ALLOWS A COMPANY TO PAY PENALTIES TO CHANGE ITS BEHAVIOR WITHOUT PUNISHING THE WORKERS WHO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DECISIONS THAT WERE TAKEN BY THE UPPER MANAGEMENT. THIS IS A WAY TO PROTECT WORKERS WHEN THERE IS CORPORATE MALFEASANCE. IT’S A SYSTEM THAT WORKS AROUND THE WORLD, BUT THE DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS WILL BE GIVEN TO A COMPANY HERE IN CANADA BELONGS TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND JUSTICE MINISTER. AND WE WILL RESPECT THAT DECISION WHEN IT WILL BE TAKEN.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT SHOULD BE REPAIRED IN THE REMEDIATION AGREEMENT. MR. TRUDEAU SHOULD HAVE DONE THINGS DIFFERENTLY, BUT HE’S RIGHT, MOST WESTERN COUNTRIES HAVE REMEDIATION AGREEMENTS IN THEIR LAWS. I SEE THAT MR. BERNIER AND MR. SINGH HAVE A TERRIBLE HABIT TO PLAY THAT QUÉBEC IS CORRUPT CARD. THE 3400 EMPLOYEES OF SNC-LAVALIN AND THE CURRENT EXECUTIVE OF SNC-LAVALIN ARE NOT CROOKS. THE SHARES WILL BE SOLD. YOU WILL HAVE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR JOBS. AND ANOTHER JEWEL OF OUR ECONOMY WILL FALL DOWN BECAUSE OF THE NEGLIGENCE OF FEDERALIST PARTIES.>>THE JEWEL OF OUR COUNTRY IS THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE JUDICIARY AND JUSTIN TRUDEAU TRIES TO BUTT INTO AN INDEPENDENT DECISION MADE BY HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL. AND WHEN HE RECEIVED A DECISION THAT WASN’T TO HIS LIKING, HE SIMPLY FIRED HER. HE TRIED TO UNDERMINE OUR INDEPENDENT JUDICIAL APPARATUS. THE DECISION IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S. THERE IS ONLY ONE JOB THAT IS THE PRIME MINISTER WORKED TO SAVE AND THAT IS HIS OWN.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): WELL, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE MR. SINGH. I AM — I AGREE WITH MR. BERNIER. NO PERSON WHO IS LOVE THE LAW. AND THAT IS WHY I AM DISAPPOINTED IN MR. TRUDEAU BECAUSE HE BROKE THE LAW BY PUTTING PRESSURE AGAINST THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. AND AT THE SAME TIME THE OMNIBUS I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER AND THAT SAME OMNIBUS BILL, WHERE THE CRIMINAL CODE WAS CHANGED TO HELP SNC-LAVALIN. THAT IS NOT HOW YOU MAKE –>>THANK YOU, MS. MAY. OPEN DEBATE NOW. I’M GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. AND THEN IT’S UP TO YOU TO RESPOND. IT’S IN A CRISIS SITUATION THAT YOU CAN MEASURE THE JUDGMENT AND TRANSPARENCY OF A LEADER. YOU’VE ALMOST ALL FORGIVEN SOME CANDIDATES, OR LET THEM GO, EMBARRASSING CANDIDATES. SO FROM NOW, CAN YOU TELL US THERE WILL BE ZERO TOLERANCE FOR ANY CANDIDATE OR M.P. WHO WOULD MAKE ANY RACIST COMMENTS?>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): FIRST, I UNDERSTAND WHY THIS QUESTION IS ASKED TONIGHT. IF ANY OF THE CANDIDATES HAD REFUSED TO APOLOGIZE, THEY WOULD NOT BE A CANDIDATE OF THE BLOC TONIGHT. BECAUSE I CAN STATE, I AM SURE THAT THE FACT THAT I WAS — THAT I WROTE IN NEWSPAPERS, THAT IT WAS ON TV BEFORE, I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY LOOKED INTO THAT WITH A FINE-TOOTHED COMB. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT’S THE SAME FOR MY COLLEAGUES ON STAGE TONIGHT. WHAT IS ESSENTIAL TO ME IN AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN IS THAT PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE FOR WHOM THEY’LL VOTE BASED ON THE VALUES THEY PUT FORTH. AND WE WILL WORK FOR QUÉBEC.>>FOR EXAMPLE, THE PEOPLE, WHAT WE HAD TO FORGIVE, YOU AND MR. TRUDEAU, MR. SCHEER AS WELL.>>I CAN SAY THAT THERE IS ONE CANDIDATE WHO DID NOT MEET OUR POLICY. BREACHED ETHIC GUIDELINES TWICE, WHO LIED ABOUT MANY THINGS IN THEIR LIFE. IF THE PAPINEAU CANDIDATE — >>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): ALL OF THESE ARE IMPORTANT, BUT INTENTIONS AND VALUES AND CONCRETE MEASURES TAKEN ARE IMPORTANT AS WELL. AND WE WILL ALWAYS JUDGE ON VALUES AND ACTIONS TAKEN BY EVERYONE. IT’S PART OF THE ELECTION CHOICE BEFORE PEOPLE. OUR PEOPLE REPRESENTING THEIR VALUES WILL BE THERE TO DEFEND THEM AND PEOPLE KNOW FOR FOUR YEARS I HAVE BEEN DEFENDING THEM AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD DEFENDING THOSE VALUES TOGETHER.>>WE’RE NOT PERFECT. I’M NOT PERFECT. ALL THE CANDIDATES HAVE MADE MISTAKES. BUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT, THAT THEY TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE MISTAKES. THAT THEY OWN THEM. AND THEREFORE, WE JUST NEED TO ENSURE THEY SHARE CANADIAN VALUES, THAT OF TOLERANCE, ACCEPTANCE, FREEDOM. OUR PARTY HAS BEEN FOUNDED ON PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, FREEDOM.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): THAT’S A QUESTION OF AUTHENTICITY. IF A PERSON APOLOGIZES BUT DOESN’T COMMIT TO CHANGE IN THE FUTURE, THERE IS NO STRONG COMMITMENT TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY. SO IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE A NO. BUT IF A PERSON SAYS SORRY, AND COMMITS TO CHANGE, IF THEY SHARE OUR VALUES, THEY CAN STAY IN OUR PARTY. OUR VALUE IS TO WORK FOR PEOPLE, NOT FOR THE WEALTHY. OUR VALUE IS TO DEFEND HUMAN RIGHTS. WE WANT TO ADVANCE SOCIAL JUSTICE AND FIGHT THE CLIMATE CRISIS. WE CAN DO THIS TOGETHER AND THAT IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF CANDIDATES AND TEAM WE HAVE AND WE NEED.>>I THINK THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN OUR DEMOCRACY. I HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ASKED ME WHY WOULD SOMEONE RUN FOR PARTY IN AN ELECTION IN OUR DEMOCRACY BECAUSE THERE ARE ALWAYS THINGS THAT ARE BEM BURIESING, BUT — EMBARRASSING, BUT TO ME IT’S THE LEVEL OF THE COMMENTS. WE HAVE ZERO TOLERANCE FOR RACISM, ANTI-SEMITISM, BUT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS IN THIS ELECTION, WE HAVE SPENT AN AWFUL LOT OF TIME ON SMALL POLITICS. AND NOT TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIGHT THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY AND TO MY LAST BREATH, I WILL TRY TO STOP THE CLIMATE.>>WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. WE NEED THE RIGHT CHOICE. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.>>THANK YOU.>>THE CHOICE FOR THIS ELECTION IS CLEAR. FOUR MORE YEARS OF TAX HIKES. OF MORE EXPENSIVE, OR A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT THAT WILL MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR EVERYONE.>>WE WILL VOTE WHAT IS GOOD FOR QUÉBEC.>>LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU. LEADERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OVERALL, YOU WERE RELATIVELY DISCIPLINED. THANK YOU. OCTOBER 21ST IS VOTING DAY. SO WE’LL BE HERE ON A SET AT RADIO-CANADA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TONIGHT. I’D LIKE TO THANK THE WHOLE TEAM. [ ♪♪♪ ]>>Vassy: WELCOME TO A SPECIAL POST DEBATE EDITION OF “POWER & POLITICS”. THE FINAL DEBATE OF 2019 HAS JUST MOMENTS AGO WRAPPED UP. SIX LEADERS FACED OFF IN FRENCH. WILL IT CHANGE VOTER’S MINDS IN THE REMAINING DAYS OF THE CAMPAIGN. WE HAVE EXTENSIVE ANALYSIS AHEAD AND WE WILL HEAR FROM THE LEADERS AS THEY SPEAK TO REPORTERS. WE WILL BRING YOU TO THAT LIVE. JOINING ME TO HELP ME IS THE POWER PANEL IN TORONTO. MELISSA LANTSMAN AND WITH ME IN STUDIO YOLANDE JAMES AND FRANCE BOIVIN, COMMENTATOR AND FORMER NDP MP. JOINING US WILL BE DANIEL THIBODEAU, HE’S FILING THAT STORY RIGHT NOW. HE WILL ACCOMPANY US FOR THE NEXT HOUR AND A HALF OR SO. FRANÇOISE, WHAT STOOD OUT FOR YOU? WHAT’S YOUR VERDICT ON THIS?>>I KNOW IT WAS MUCH MORE UNDERSTANDABLE BECAUSE LESS MOMENTS WHERE THEY WERE ALL TALKING ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER. YOU’LL SAY A CONTRADICTION, BUT I WAS A BIT BORED BY IT BECAUSE I HEARD SO MANY LINES THAT I HEARD SO OFTEN SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS CAMPAIGN, THAT IT JUST WENT LIKE WA-WA, A FEW TIMES JUST LIKE THAT. THERE WERE A FEW GOOD MOMENTS. ANDREW SCHEER WAS WAY BETTER THAN HE WAS AT THE TVA, SO I DON’T THINK ANYBODY CAN SAY THAT HE WAS NOT ALIVE AND KICKING A BIT. BUT I WAS SURPRISED BUT YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET, THAT HE WAS NOT MORE — HE’S GOT TO ADVANCE IN A SENSE. I SUSPECT HE HAD THE TRUDEAU VIRUS FROM TVA, WHICH WAS TO STAY A BIT BACK, TRY TO BE LESS — NOT TO ATTACK AND JUST PUT A FEW OF HIS LINES TO SHOW THAT HE WAS THE ONLY ONE HOLDING A CERTAIN POSITION LIKE ON THE BILL 21 AGAIN. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY . . . NON-EXISTENT. >>INTERESTING YOU SAY THAT. THE FORMAT WAS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE DEBATE ON MONDAY NIGHT AND THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE WAS THEY WERE DIVIDED INTO GROUPS AND ABLE TO DEBATE EACH OTHER. BUT THEY RARELY SPOKE OVER EACH OTHER COMPARED TO MONDAY. I SORT OF HAD THAT SENSE AS WELL, EVERYBODY WAS MORE SUBDUED. >>EVERYBODY WAS MORE SUBDUED. I WOULDN’T GO AS FAR AS SAYING IT WAS BORING BUT I WAS LIKE, LIVEN UP, A LITTLE BIT OF FIRE. IT WOULD HAPPEN, AND I THINK THE — NOT OFTEN, ON AIR. BREAKING THEM UP IN BATCHES OF THREE FOR THE FORMAT WAS A BIT EASIER. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT TAKE ON YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET IN THAT HE DIDN’T ATTACK AS MUCH, BUT I FELT LIKE HE DID USE THE FLOOR TO BE VERY, YOU KNOW, IN FRENCH YOU SAY [ Speaking in French ] LIKE WHEN HE SPEAKS NORMALLY ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND HE WENT ON AND I WANTED TO HEAR HIM MORE ON WHAT HE WOULD DO, BUT HE CAN’T SAY THAT GIVEN THAT HE’S NEVER GOING TO BE IN GOVERNMENT WITH RESPECT TO THAT. I JUST KIND OF LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF DID EACH PERSON MEET THEIR OBJECTIVES? I THINK FOR ANDREW SCHEER GIVEN THAT HE WAS I THINK A BIT BETTER THAN HE WAS AT TVA, I THINK CAN REASSURE CERTAIN CANDIDATES THAT ARE ALREADY STRONG, BUT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT AFRAID OF SEEING THEIR VOTE COMPLETELY SLIDE AWAY, THAT OKAY HE GAVE ENOUGH OF A PERFORMANCE TO KEEP THAT GOING, I THINK ABOUT THE QUÉBEC REGION AND SO FORTH. MAXIME BERNIER TOOK A LOT OF SPACE. YOU COULD SEE THAT HE WAS IN HIS LANGUAGE AND HE DID NOT MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LAND THOSE PUNCHES. IT’S INTERESTING BECAUSE ON THINGS LIKE BILL 21, HIM AND YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET ARE ON EXACTLY THE SAME PAGE, SO HE WAS KIND OF GIVING THOSE LINES OUT. SO YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET WAS KIND OF –>>NOT TAKING ALL THE CREDIT.>>– WILL THAT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE VOTE? I’M NOT SURE. WE’LL HAVE TO SEE IN THE NEXT POLLS I GUESS.>>Vassy: MELISSA, PRIOR TO THE DEBATE YOU SAID YOU WOULD BE LOOKING TO SEE WHO WOULD BE DIRECTLY SPEAKING TO QUÉBECERS. DID ANYONE DO THAT FOR YOU?>>THE FORMAT ALLOWED THOSE WHO WERE SUBSTANTIVE IN POLICY TO SPEAK TO QUÉBECERS. I THINK THIS DEBATE FAVOURED POLICY RATHER THAN PLATITUDES AND YOU SAW THAT WITH JAGMEET SINGH WHO REPEATED A LOT OF THE SAME LINES THAT HE HAD ON MONDAY, BUT FRANKLY DIDN’T GO MUCH DEEPER. I THINK IN TERMS OF ANDREW SCHEER, I THINK HIS GOAL WAS TO REALLY TIE Mr. BLANCHE TO THE SEPARATIST PQ AND I THINK THAT HE TOOK MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT. I THINK HE HAD A MUCH BETTER DEBATE FRANKLY THAN HE DID ON TVA BEFORE AND GAVE SOME CONFIDENCE TO THE CANDIDATES WHO ARE RUNNING CLOSE IN RIDINGS THAT HE NEEDS TO WIN. I THINK Mr. BLANCHE WAS RATHER SURPRISING. I THINK HE OWNED A GOOD PART OF THE DEBATE, BUT HE — AND FRANKLY WASN’T CHALLENGED AS MUCH AS I THOUGHT HE WOULD BE BY THE PRIME MINISTER OR NOR BY THE CONSERVATIVE LEADER AND I THINK THE PRIME MINISTER I THINK HE STARTED FRANKLY STRONG AND THEN SORT OF SAT BACK AND A BIT ABSENT THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE DEBATE.>>Vassy: I WANT TO PICK UP TWO THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED. THE FIRST IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME PEOPLE SPENT FOCUSED ON Mr. BLANCHE. EVERYONE PRIOR TO THE DEBATE HAD SPECULATED THAT GIVEN THE UP FLING IN POLLS FOR THE BLOC IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS YOU WOULD SEE THEM SHARPEN THEIR LINES OF ATTACK ON Mr. BLANCHE. I WANT TO PLAY AN EXCHANGE WHERE THE LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY Mr. SCHEER WENT AFTER Mr. BLANCHE. THAT’S THE SIXTH CLIP FOR THE CONTROL ROOM. LET’S PLAY THAT ONE. [ Speaking in French ]. >>[ Voice of Translator ]: THE LIBERALS VOTING FOR THE BLOC IS VOTING FOR CONSERVATIVES. VOTING FOR BLOC IS VOTING FOR QUÉBEC. WHEN WE SIT IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, IT’S A DEMOCRACY. NUMBER TWO, Mr. LEGGOTT AND THE GOVERNOR ASKED THE POWERS, NOT A POWER, ALL THE IMMIGRATION POWERS. YOU SHOULD ALL COMMIT TO GIVE QUÉBEC EVERY POWER PERTAINING TO IMMIGRATION.>>YOU LIKE TO CLAIM THAT YOU ARE Mr. LEGGOTT’S BEST FRIEND, BUT PLEASE BE HONEST WITH ME, AFTER THE ELECTION, YOU WILL BE WORKING FOR CANADIANS?>>I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU, Mr. SCHEER I — [ mixed voices ]. >>WHO WILL YOU VOTE FOR IN THE NEXT PROVINCIAL ELECTION?>>IF I CAN SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS –>>BE HONEST WITH CANADIANS.>>THE QUÉBECOIS. >>Vassy: SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE PARTS THAT THEY WERE TALKING OVER EACH OTHER. FRANÇOISE, YOU HAD A REACTION THERE?>>THANK GOD THAT DIDN’T LAST FOR TWO HOURS, BECAUSE WE SHOULD HAVE SHUT THE SOUND IN THE GREEN ROOM HERE. BUT IT WAS AN INTERESTING EXCHANGE, BUT TO THE POINT OF WHY WAS Mr. BLANCHE NOT SO ATTACKED THAT WE THOUGHT HE WOULD BE SINCE HE’S KIND OF THE FRONTRUNNER OR ON AN UP — >>Vassy: ASSENT, YEAH.>>EXACTLY. ACTUALLY I WAS RETHINKING THAT WHOLE CONCEPT AND I THINK THE OTHER LEADERS JUST DIDN’T WANT HIM TO –>>TO BE A VICTIM. >>– TO BE EITHER A VICTIM OR AT THE SAME TIME TO SHINE TOO MUCH. SO SOMETIMES — BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN I USED TO DO DEBATES AND WE DIDN’T KNOW WHO WOULD ASK WHICH QUESTION OF WHOM AND EVERYTHING, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WOULD SAY, TECHNICALLY THEY SHOULDN’T ASK YOU ANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT WILL PERMIT YOU TO TAKE THE FLOOR AND EVERYTHING, AND THEY WOULD MAKE THAT MISTAKE. SO I THINK THEY WERE PROBABLY WELL ADVISED NOT TO GIVE HIM TOO MUCH FLOOR TO DO SO HE TOOK HIT WHEN HE NEEDED TO DO SO. BUT I STICK TO MY — I DIDN’T FIND THAT HE WAS THAT SHINY TODAY. HE DIDN’T SEEM AS AT EASE EXCEPT WHEN HE WAS PROFESSOR ROLE ON CERTAIN ASPECTS BUT THAT’S HIM. WHEN HE TALKS HE DOESN’T TALK. HE TEACHES.>>HE WAS A LOT MORE DEFENSIVE THAN IN THE TVA DEBATE. I HEAR YOUR POINT FRANÇOISE. THEY HAVE TO FIND THE RIGHT TONE, BECAUSE IF YOU GO TOO DEEP ON THE ATTACK, THEN YOU GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE — NOT THE WORD VICTIM, BUT QUÉBECERS CAN RALLY AROUND HIM, I DON’T LIKE THAT. WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT?>>GANG UP ON HIM. >>YEAH, I DON’T LIKE THAT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME THAT CLIP WAS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO CHALLENGE YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET WHETHER THE PRIME MINISTER DIDN’T DO IT AND NEITHER DID ANDREW SCHEER. THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN. EITHER YOU’RE GOING TO PARLIAMENT TO SPOKE FOR IT. LISTENING TO WHAT YOU JUST ANSWERED IS THAT YOU’RE THERE TO REPEAT WHAT HE HAS TO SAY. SO JUST TO KIND OF MAKE HIM SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE, I THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL.>>Vassy: IF THE STRATEGY ON THE PART OF Mr. TRUDEAU AND Mr. SCHEER ARE TO NOT GO AS HARD AS THE ANTICIPATION WAS ON BLCHLT BLANCHE, IF IT WAS DELIBERATE, MELISSA, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS BEHIND THAT STRATEGY?>>I THINK Mr. SCHEER WENT AFTER Mr. BLANCHE, IT WAS TO TIE HIM TO A SEPARATIST AGENDA, TO ENSURE THAT QUÉBECERS KNOW THAT MAYBE HE’S NOT WORKING FOR HIM IN PARLIAMENT, BUT WORKING TOWARDS THE GOAL OF SOVEREIGNTY, HE DID THAT A COUPLE TIMES AND I THINK THAT WASst THAT’S WHAT HE WAS THERE TO DO. WHAT’S DISAPPOINTING IS Mr. TRUDEAU, FRANKLY NOT DOING THAT. THE BLOC IS FRANKLY GOING TO EAT THEIR LUNCH AS WELL IN SOME OF THE FRANCOPHONE RIDINGS THAT THEY NEED TO PICK UP ON AND THIS IS HIS FIRST LANGUAGE. Mr. SCHEER DID FRANKLY AS WELL AS HE COULD ON THAT, GIVEN THAT HE STATED FRENCH WASN’T HIS FIRST LANGUAGE.>>Vassy: DANIEL THIBEAULT IS HERE TO JOIN US. I WANT TO BRING YOU IN. YOU HEARD MELISSA THERE. WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT PRIOR TO THE DEBATE, WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE EXPECTED BECAUSE OF THE POLLS, MRAN — Mr. BLANCHE TO BE THE TARGET OF MORE ATTACKS. WHAT DID YOU THINK?>>Mr. TRUDEAU WENT ON THE OFFENSIVE EARLY ON, BUT IN A SOFT MANNER I WOULD SAY AND I EXPECTED HIM TO BE STRONGER GIVEN THE SITUATION THERE. THE LIBERALS ARE FACING RIGHT NOW IN QUÉBEC. THE BLOC IS EATING AWAY AT THEIR SUPPORT IN REGIONS AROUND MONTRÉAL AND THE REGIONS AS WELL. SO ON THAT FRONT, I THOUGHT THAT Mr. TRUDEAU WAS GOING TO GO A LITTLE HARDER. IT WAS — IT CAME BACK A LITTLE LATER THE DEBATE, IF I’M MISTAKEN DURING THE PORTION ON THE BILL 21 OR JUST BEFORE WHERE EVERYBODY KIND OF GANGED UP ON Mr. BLANCHE FOR A MINUTE, MINUTE AND A HALF, BUT NOT AS STRONGLY AS I THOUGHT THEY WOULD GO. MUCH TAMER DEBATE THAN I WAS EXPECTING. VERY, VERY — >>Vassy: WE WERE ALL SAYING SUBDUED, RIGHT?>>YEAH. >>Vassy: WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?>>DO YOU KNOW WHAT? I WAS ASKING MYSELF THE SAME QUESTION ON THE WAY IN. I’M NOT QUITE SURE. SOMEONE SOMEWHERE MUST HAVE THOUGHT GOING TOO STRONGLY WAS PROBABLY NOT THE WAY TO GO AND MIGHT HAVE TURNED THE VOTERS SLIGHTLY MORE TOWARDS THE BLOC. I KNOW THAT THE LIBERALS WERE HOPING TO POINT OUT REPEATEDLY THROUGHOUT THE EVENING THAT A VOTE FUNDRAISER THE BLOC WAS BASICALLY A VOTE TO STAY OUT OF THE GOVERNMENT AND A VOTE TO STALL CLIMATE CHANGE, FOR EXAMPLE. IF YOU WANT TO WORK TOWARDS THAT, COME AND JOIN THE GOVERNMENT. THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE UNDERLYING MESSAGE.>>Vassy: THEY HAD TELEGRAPHED THAT. >>I DIDN’T HEAR THAT AS MUCH AS I WAS EXPECTING, SO DID SOMEONE AT SOME POINT THOUGHT, IF WE GO TOO HARD, IT MIGHT BACKFIRE ON US? I DON’T KNOW. I WILL HAVE TO TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE WAR ROOM BECAUSE THAT PART STILL PUZZLES ME.>>Vassy: ME AS WELL. IF YOU’RE JOINING US, YOU’RE WATCHING AN EXTENDED VERSION OF “POWER & POLITICS”, POST-DEBATE VERSION. WE’RE WITH THE POWER PANEL BREAKING DOWN WHAT WE WITNESSED THE FINAL DEBATE OF THIS ELECTION CAMPAIGN, 2019. IT WAS IN FRENCH OF COURSE. WE’RE GOING TO PUT THE POWER PANEL ON PAUSE WHILE WE TAKE A COMMERCIAL BREAK. WHEN WE COME BACK, WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE SPEAKING ABOUT THE DEBATE AND WE’LL BRING YOU THE LEADER’S [ ♪♪♪ ] [ ♪♪♪ ]>>Vassy: WELCOME BACK TO A SPECIAL LATE NIGHT EDITION OF “POWER & POLITICS”. WE’RE WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE LEADERS AS THEY SPEAK WITH REPORTERS, WHICH WE’LL BRING TO YOU LIVE. HELPING US WITH ANALYSIS IS MELISSA LANTSMAN, FRANÇOISE BOIVIN AND YOEL — YOLANDE JAMES. WE’RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE STRATEGY WAS ABOUT NOT FOCUSING MORE ON THE BLOC IN THIS DEBATE. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE OVERALL CONSEQUENCE OF THAT IS? IF YOU WALK AWAY FROM THIS DEBATE AND I TAKE YOUR POINT THAT IT WAS SUBDUED. DOES IT CHANGE ANYTHING? IT’S EARLY AS WELL.>>I SAID BORING BUT — >>Vassy: I’M WITH YOLANDE, BEING MORE POLITE. MY JOB TO BE DIPLOMATIC. >>THAT SOUNDS SO MUCH BETTER, YES.>>Vassy: DOES IT MEAN YOU WALK AWAY, STATUS QUO OR WHAT HAPPENS?>>I THINK THERE ARE LEADERS OF TWO MAIN PARTIES THAT MAYBE THEY THINK IF WE DON’T MAKE TOO MUCH NOISE, MAYBE THINGS WILL GO BACK TO NORMAL. BUT IT WON’T HAPPEN. CAMPAIGNS HAVE THESE WEIRD WAYS OF HAPPENING, LIKE I SAID GO BACK TO 2015. BUT YOU’VE GOT A PARTY WHO IS WAY AHEAD AND SUDDENLY YOU SEE YOUR SUPPORT — YOU’RE LOSING SUPPORT BY PERCENTAGE IN ASTRONOMICAL AND YOU START THINKING AND MULTIPLYING BY THE NUMBER OF DAYS AND YOU THINK, OH MY GOODNESS, WILL WE SURVIVE THE ELECTION? ELECTION NIGHT? AND I THINK IT’S QUITE THE GAMBLE THEY TOOK, Mr. SCHEER AND Mr. TRUDEAU, BECAUSE I’M NOT SURE THAT THE BLOC WILL GO DOWN.>>Vassy: IF EVERYTHING GOES ACCORDING TO TIME, Mr. TRUDEAU WILL BE COMING OUT IN A FEW MINUTES. I WANT TO GET COMMENTS. MELISSA? MELISSA, DO YOU HEAR ME?>>I HEAR YOU.>>Vassy: I WANTED TO GET A FINAL COMMENT FROM YOU ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK THERE IS AN OVERALL IMPACT TO THIS DEBATE, RECOGNIZING WE’RE MINUTES AWAY –>>I THINK IN TERMS OF IF YOU GOT A MORE SUBSTANTIVE DEBATE AND CLEAR POLICY POSITIONS FROM SOME LEADERS, SOME NOT SO CLEAR ONES FROM OTHERS AND THAT’S PARTICULARLY Mr. SINGH. AT THE END OF THE DAY, I’M NOT SURE WE SAW ANYTHING SUBSTANTIALLY MOVE NUMBERS IN THIS ELECTION WHEN IT COMES TO ISSUES. WE HAVEN’T FIGURED OUT A BALLOT QUESTION, I DON’T THINK WE WILL AFTER THIS CAMPAIGN, NOT EVEN IN QUÉBEC, FOR QUÉBEC VOTERS.>>IT’S INTERESTING BECAUSE IT’S HARD TO ALWAYS WHEN WE COME FRESH OUT OF IT AND I THINK WHAT’S DIFFERENCE IS WE ANALYZED EVERY SINGLE DEBATE AND I TRY TO KEEP IN MIND FOR MOST PEOPLE THEY PROBABLY WILL JUST WATCH ONE.>>Vassy: IF THAT.>>MAYBE THE FIRST HALF HOUR OF ONE. SO FOR THE PERSON WHO REALLY WATCHED THIS DEBATE TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS THE FRENCH LANGUAGE DEBATE THAT I WANT TO LOOK AT, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE AWAY, I THINK THEY SAW SUBSTANCE THERE AND I THINK THEY SAW A PRIME MINISTER THAT DID TRY TO SPEAK TO THE POPULATION AND WIN BACK THE CONFIDENCE OF VOTERS, BUT WAS IT ENOUGH? THE QUESTION I CANNOT ANSWER AT THIS POINT, WAS IT ENOUGH? IT CERTAINLY WILL NOT REVERSE THE ASSENT OF THE BLOC. THAT’S NOT HAPPENING. BUT WAS IT ENOUGH TO STOP IT? AND THAT QUESTION — THAT’S AN OPEN QUESTION FOR ME.>>Vassy: DIFFICULT ONE TO JUDGE RIGHT NOW.>>YEAH, YEAH.>>Vassy: I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR STICKING WITH US SO LONG THIS EVENING. I APPRECIATE IT SO MUCH. THANKS TO MELISSA LANTSMAN AND FRANCE BOIVIN. BACK TO THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY TO LISTEN IN TO Mr. TRUDEAU. [ Speaking in French ]. >>[ Voice of Translator ]: STATEMENT THAT HE SAID IMMIGRATION CAREER. YES, QUÉBEC CAN IMPOSE A TEST THEY WANT ON THE CERTIFICATE OF SELECTION CRITERIA. IT’S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. THEY CAN CHOOSE THE QUESTIONS BUT DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT TEST?>>WELL, I WOULD HAVE TO SEE THE QUESTIONS ON THAT TEST BEFORE I DETERMINE HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT. QUÉBEC HAS THE RIGHT THOUGH TO SET SUCH A TEST FOR THE SELECTION CERTIFICATE. [ end of translation ].>>QUÉBEC HAS THE POWER TO IMPOSE OR TO ASK A PARTICULAR TEST FOR A SELECTION CERTIFICATE THAT QUÉBEC HAS THE POWER TO DELIVER. THE QUESTIONS ON THAT TEST ARE TO BE DETERMINED BY QUÉBEC.>>Question: HAVE YOU SECURED NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS FROM ANYONE ABOUT INAPPROPRIATE SEXUAL PERSONAL CONDUCT?>>NO. >>YOU AND CHRISTOPHER I THINK LSON MADE A YOUNG STUDENT’S LIFE AT WPGA A LOT MORE INTERESTING/AMUSING. HOW DID YOU TWO KEEP HER AMUSED?>>WE WERE TEACHERS.>>IN ENGLISH AND IN FRENCH, PLEASE. WHEN YOU WERE ACCUSED OF IN HER WORDS, GROPING A YOUNG WOMAN AT THE KOKANEE MUSIC FESTIVAL, YOU SAID PEOPLE CAN EXPERIENCE THINGS DIFFERENTLY. WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT YOUR CAREER AT WEST POINT GREY ACADEMY, WERE THERE ANY CHAPTERS OR INCIDENTS WHERE LOOKING BACK YOU MAY HAVE IN YOUR VIEW OR IN THE VIEW OF ANYONE ELSE INVOLVED ACTED INAPPROPRIATELY?>>NO. NO.>>Question: THESE ARE QUESTIONS WE’RE ASKING PUBLICLY BECAUSE YOUR OFFICE HAS NOT ANSWERED THEM PRIVATELY. DO YOU THINK THEY’RE RELEVANT GIVEN THAT YOU’VE BEEN ACCUSED OF FIRING WOMEN WHO STOOD UP TO YOU AND ACCUSED OF GROPING WOMEN? DO YOU REALIZE THESE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS?>>WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY WHERE PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS AND WE’RE CANADIANS, THEY’LL MAKE THEIR DECISIONS. I AM EXTREMELY CONFIDENT IN THE VALUES THAT I’VE ALWAYS PUT FORWARD AND THE WORK I’VE DONE FOR CANADIANS AND I KNOW THAT CANADIANS WILL BASE THEIR DECISION IN TEN DAYS ON FACTS AND NOT ON INTERNET RUMOURS. [ Speaking in French ]. >>[ Voice of Translator ]: CONCERNING THE VALUES TEST BY THE LEGGOTT GOVERNMENT. YOU SAID IT DEPENDS ON THE QUESTION. WHAT DO YOU DO? SO IF THE QUESTION IS TO YOU, THAT’S OKAY. IF NOT, WHAT HAPPENS?>>I DON’T KNOW THE QUESTIONS THEY WILL BE PUTTING TO THE CANDIDATES. BUT QUÉBEC HAS THE RIGHT TO SET THAT TEST FOR THE SELECTION CERTIFICATE ISSUED BY QUÉBEC. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CANADIAN CITIZENSHIP, IT’S A QUÉBEC PROCESS BELONGING TO THE QUÉBEC GOVERNMENT, AND I FULLY TRUST THAT THE QUÉBEC GOVERNMENT WILL ASK RELEVANT QUESTIONS FOR THEIR GOVERNMENT.>>Question: DURING THE DEBATE, YOU LEFT THE DOOR OPEN TO A PIPELINE CROSSING QUÉBEC. WHY DIDN’T YOU SAY CLEARLY THAT THERE WILL BE NO PIPELINE GOING THROUGH QUÉBEC, IF THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT DIDN’T WANT TO GO THERE?>>WELL, THERE IS NO PROJECT ON THE HORIZON RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE IS NO SOCIAL ACCEPTABILITY FOR A PIPELINE THAT WOULD RUN ACROSS QUÉBEC. AND WE WOULD NEVER IMPOSE A PIPELINE ON QUÉBEC. THAT IS ANDREW SCHEER’S PLAN. [ end of translation ]>>Question: YOU LEFT WEST POINT GREY ACADEMY IN THE MIDDLE OF A TERM WHICH IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL. IT WAS A LAW FIRM THAT MADE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT WHICH IS ALSO HIGHLY UNUSUAL. SIR, CAN YOU TELL US THE REAL REASON WHY YOU LEFT SO ABRUPTLY AND DID IT INVOLVE ANY KIND OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT AT THE SCHOOL?>>I WROTE THREE PAGES ON THAT IN MY AUTOBIOGRAPHY AND IT INVOLVED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF THE SORT, OF THE RUMOURS THAT YOU’RE TRYING TO SPREAD.>>Question: EVEN SO, FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, WHY DID SO MANY TEENAGED GIRLS WRITE SO PASSIONATELY ABOUT YOU IN THE YEARBOOK? WAS THERE ANY CONNECTION TO HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH THESE GIRLS OR THEIR MOTHERS?>>I WAS A GOOD TEACHER.>>Question: “GLOBE AND MAIL”, YOUR GOVERNMENT HAS INTRODUCED PAPERS IN COURT THAT SAY THAT THE COMPENSATION IN THE HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL DECISION WOULD BE$8 MILLION. ARE YOU CHALLENGING THAT TOTAL COST?>>WE AGREE WITH THE TRIBUNAL’S CALL FOR COMPENSATION OF THESE VICTIMS. WE WILL WORK TO COMPENSATE THOSE VICTIMS. WE’VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST WITH THE ’60s SCOOP, WITH THE DAY SCHOOLS, WITH THE TB, WITH THE FORCED RELOCATIONS, WE WILL BE COMPENSATING THOSE INDIVIDUALS. BUT MORE THAN JUST COMPENSAING FROM THE PAST, WE HAVE MADE CHANGES TO THE LAW AROUND CHILD AND FAMILY SERVICES TO ENSURE THAT INDIGENOUS KIDS ARE KEPT IN INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES WHEN THEY NEED CARE.>>Question: SO DO YOU SUPPORT, IF YOU ARE RE-ELECTED, WOULD YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH GIVING $8 BILLION IN COMPENSATION FOR THESE KIDS?>>WE WILL WORK WITH COMMUNITIES, WE WILL WORK WITH FAMILIES, WE WILL WORK IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLES TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION. [ Speaking in French ]. >>[ Voice of Translator ]: ONCE AGAIN, ON THE VALUES TEST BY THE LEGGOTT GOVERNMENT, YOU SAY YOU TRUST THAT THE QUÉBEC GOVERNMENT WILL ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS ON THE SECULARISM QUESTION AND YOU SAY KEEP THE DOOR OPEN TO A SUPREME COURT CHALLENGE BUT ON THE VALUES TEST, THE GOVERNMENT HAS THE GREEN LIGHT AND CAN ASK ANY QUESTION THEY WANT?>>THE AGREEMENT LEAVES QUÉBEC THE CHOICE OF WHO WILL RECEIVE A SELECTION CERTIFICATE AS THEY SEE FIT. QUÉBEC WAS DETERMINING THE PROCESS. THIS IS POWER THAT QUÉBEC DOES HAVE UNDER THE CANADA-QUÉBEC IMMIGRATION AGREEMENT. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO SAY IN THAT SELECTION CERTIFICATE PROCESS. IT’S UP TO QUÉBEC TO DETERMINE WHAT QUESTIONS WILL BE PUT TO THE CANDIDATES REGARDING THE SELECTION CERTIFICATE. BUT CONCERNING OBTAINING CANADIAN CITIZENSHIP, THAT IS UP TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND FOR THAT THERE WILL BE NO VALUES TEST YET. IF FOR INSTANCE IN THE VALUES TEST THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION, SHOULD THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INTERVENE?>>I DON’T WANT TO DEAL WITH HY HYPOTHETICALS. [ end of translation ].>>YOU MENTIONED IN FRENCH THAT YOU SAID VOTING BLOC WOULD BRING BACK HARPERITES, WILL THAT SCARE VOTERS?>>WHAT’S CLEAR IS QUÉBECERS WANT TO BE PART OF THE ACTION, NOT PART OF THE OPPOSITION. WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS HAS LED THE WAY ON FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE, THAT HAS STOOD UP TO LIFT KIDS OUT OF POVERTY, INVEST IN OUR SENIORS, MOVE FORWARD IN INVESTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE, PROTECTING LANGUAGE, INVESTING IN CULTURE AND WE’RE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE QUÉBECERS STOOD UP TO BE PART OF A STRONG FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IN THE YEARS — THE 10 YEARS THAT Mr. HARPER WAS IN POWER, A STRONG BLOC QUÉBECOIS IN OTTAWA WAS UNABLE TO PREVENT HARPER FROM DOING ANYTHING ON CLIMATE CHANGE, FOR LEAVING KYOTO, FOR NOT ADVANCING INVESTMENTS IN CULTURE, INDEED CUTTING IN CULTURES. QUÉBECERS WANT TO BE PART OF HOLDING STRONG AGAINST CONSERVATIVE POLITICIANS LIKE DOUG FORD AND JASON KENNEY WHO ARE IN THE POCKETS OF BIG OIL, WHO DON’T WANT TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE, AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE NEED A STRONG FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH GREAT QUÉBECERS AS PART OF IT.>>Question: MY FOLLOW IS IF YOU HAD TO WORK WITH ANOTHER PARTY IN A MINORITY SITUATION, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU CHOOSE?>>WE ARE FOCUSED ON WINNING A MAJORITY GOVERNMENT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A CLIMATE CHANGE PLAN, THAT PUSHES BACK AGAINST THOSE CONSERVATIVE PREMIERS LIKE JASON KENNEY AND DOUG FORD WHO WANT TO DO NOTHING, WE NEED A STRONG AND CLEAR MANDATE FROM CANADIANS, THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT WE’RE HOPING TO GET IN TEN DAYS.>>Question: YES, THANK YOU. Mr. TRUDEAU, IN 2015 YOU RAN ON A MANDATE TO CHANGE THE ELECTORATE SYSTEM, YOU DIDN’T FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT PROMISE, BETRAYED THE VOTES OF SEVERAL MILLION YOUNG PEOPLE WHO MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO BACK YOU THIS TIME, IN LIGHT OF RECENT REVELATIONS AROUND BLACKFACE, THAT SAME DEMOGRAPHIC MAY HAVE PROBLEMS FOLLOWING YOU THIS TIME. WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO DO TO FIND A WAY TO RESTORE THEIR FAITH IN DEMOCRACY?>>WE’VE MADE IT CLEAR WE’RE GOING TO INVEST IN YOUNG PEOPLE, TO HELP THEM BE ABLE TO ACCESS POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION AND BETTER JOBS. THAT’S WHY WE’RE RACING THE CANADA STUDENT GRANTS FROM THE $2,000 THAT Mr. HARPER LEFT THEM TO $4200 FOR LOW AND MIDDLE INCOME STUDENTS. WE’RE ALSO MAKING SURE THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO START PAYING BACK YOUR STUDENT LOANS UNTIL YOU’RE MAKING $35,000 A YEAR AND IF YOU START A FAMILY, WHILE YOU HAVE A CHILD UNDER 5, YOU DON’T HAVE TO PAY BACK STUDENT LOANS. WE’RE ALSO GIVING A TWO-YEAR GRACE PERIOD THAT’S GOING TO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A NATIONAL YOUTH POLICY THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY YOUNG PEOPLE, INCLUDING YOUNG PEOPLE IN MY PRIME MINISTER’S YOUTH COUNCIL, BECAUSE WE KNOW HAVING YOUNG PEOPLE PART OF SHAPING A BETTER FUTURE IS ESSENTIAL FOR ALL CANADIANS.>>Question: NO COMMENT ON DEMOCRACY? THANK YOU.>>YOU’RE WELCOME.>>Vassy: THAT WAS LEBEL LEADER JUSTIN TRUDEAU SPEAKING TO REPORTERS FOLLOWING THE FRENCH LANGUAGE LEADERS DEBATE AT THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY IN GATINEAU, QUÉBEC. I’M SITTING HERE WITH RADIO CANADA’S DANIEL THIBODEAU. WE’RE LISTENING TO THIS SCRUM. A COUPLE OF THINGS STUCK OUT. A QUICK NOTE THAT HANNAH THIBEDEAU TRIED TO GET Mr. TRUDEAU TO BITE ON THE POSSIBILITY OF A MINORITY GOVERNMENT. >>THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN, NO. >>Vassy: HE SAID, NO, WE’RE FOCUSED ON A MAJORITY. I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE ON SOMETHING THAT DOMINATED THE QUESTION HE RECEIVED FROM FRENCH MEDIA, THAT IS SOMETHING PREMIER LEGGOTT IN QUÉBEC PUT FORWARD AROUND IMMIGRATION. >>VALUE TEST, RIGHT?>>Vassy: RIGHT. >>IT WAS PUT FORWARD DURING THE CAMPAIGN AND BASICALLY THE QUESTION WAS, WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO THAT? WOULD YOU CHALLENGE THAT? Mr. TRUDEAU FELL BACK TO THE AGREEMENT, THE IMMIGRATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN OTTAWA AND QUÉBEC, THAT SAYS BASICALLY, AND QUÉBEC IF I’M NOT MISTAKEN IS THE ONLY PROVINCE THAT HAS THAT KIND OF POWER. BASICALLY YOU’RE AGREEING TO TAKE THAT MANY PEOPLE EVERY YEAR, BUT YOU HAVE FULL CONTROL OVER WHO YOU’RE TAKING IN, ASIDE FROM THE REFUGEE CATEGORY. AND SO BASICALLY IF QUÉBEC — QUÉBEC WILL RELEASE AN EXPECTATION CERTIFICATE TO THE ONES THAT ARE COMING IN, AND IF THEY WANT TO IMPOSE SOME SORT OF A TEST TO SEE IF THEY SHOULD GET INTO THE PROVINCE, WHAT Mr. TRUDEAU IS SAYING IS WE’RE OPEN TO THEM — THEY HAVE THE POWER TO DO SO. HE’S NOT SAYING HE’S NOT GOING TO CHALLENGE IT, HE’S SAYING I NEED TO SEE WHAT THEY COME UP ONCE THEY DO THAT. BUT OBVIOUSLY HE’S OPENING THE DOOR WIDE SAYING QUÉBEC HAS JURISDICTION ON THAT FRONT, AND THAT’S BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT’S BEEN DEBATED LAST YEAR DURING THE PROVINCIAL ELECTION. IT’S SOMETHING THAT’S DEAR TO A LOT OF QUÉBECERS AND AT THIS POINT I THINK Mr. TRUDEAU IS TRYING NOT TO ALIENATE ANYMORE QUÉBECERS DURING THIS CAMPAIGN, NOT TO PUSH THEM TOWARDS THE BLOC WHO IS QUITE COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA OF A VALUE TESTING FOR NEWCOMERS. >>Vassy: THE POLLS EVEN TODAYAGE RYDE, LEGER SHOWING THAT THE LIBERALS AND OTHER PARTIES FOR EXAMPLE IN QUÉBEC HAVE SOMETHING TO BE WORRIED ABOUT. >>IT’S FASCINATING BECAUSE WE STARTED TO SEE A BIT OF A SHIFT ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO AND WE COULDN’T QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW QUICK AND HOW BIG IT WAS GETTING, BUT THE SHIFT IS SIZABLE, AND WHAT IT MEANS BASICALLY FOR Mr. TRUDEAU AT THIS POINT IS THAT WHEN THEY STARTED THIS CAMPAIGN, THE LIBERALS WERE HOPING TO GET INTO QUÉBEC AND KEEP THEIR SEATS AND PRIVATELY A LOT OF THEM WERE SAYING WE’D LIKE TO COME OUT OF QUÉBEC WITH A PLUS 15 NUMBER. WE’D LIKE TO BASICALLY COMPENSATE FOR THE ONES WE’RE EXPECTING TO LOSE IN THE MARITIMES.>>Vassy: RIGHT, WHICH THEY HAD SWEPT IN 2015. >>YES, EXACTLY. IT’S A GIVEN IN THEIR HEADS THAT THEY’RE GOING TO COME OUT OF THE ATLANTIC PROVINCES WITH AT LEAST 8 SEATS LESS. SO IN 38 YEARS LET’S GO THROUGH QUÉBEC.>>Vassy: I HATE TO INTERRUPT YOU, WE’RE HEADING BACK OVER TO THE MUSEUM AND WILL BE TO YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET.>>[ Voice of Translator ]: IT’S BECAUSE WE’RE HAPPY THE DEBATE IS OVER. I’M HAPPY THE DEBATE IS DONE. BUT THE EXPERIENCE IS EXTREMELY ENRAGING BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I’M DOING THIS AND THIS EVENING I THINK DID CONTRIBUTE A LOT I MUST SAY WITH THE HELP, THIS HELP REALLY ENLIVENED A LOT OF VOTERS IN QUÉBEC. THAT’S IT.>>Question: Mr. BLANCHE, AT WHAT POINT IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS WILL THE BLOC QUÉBECOIS’ ROLL BE TO HELP THE PART QUÉBECOIS?>>LET ME TELL YOU AN ANECDOTE. EARLY IN THE YEAR 2000, GILLES DUCEPT GOT MONEY AND HE COLLABORATED WITH JEAN CHAREST, AND PREMIER OF QUÉBEC. YOU CAN CLAIM THAT JEAN CHAREST HAS EVER BEEN TOP MILITANT FOR SOVEREIGNTY. SO OUR TOP PRIORITY IS TO BRING THE QUÉBEC NATIONAL ASSEMBLY CONSENSUS TO OTTAWA.>>I DON’T WANT TO USE THE WORD BAD FAITH, BUT THERE’S A SHORT-TERM TACTIC IN SUGGESTING THE BLOC CAMPAIGN IS NOT SINCERE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AMPLIFYING THE VOICE OF QUÉBEC IN OTTAWA AND PROJECTING QUÉBEC INTERESTS. WHEREAS THAT’S ALL WE’RE DOING DURING THE CAMPAIGN. THERE’S SOMETHING INCONSISTENT IN HAVING A PARTY LEADER TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO HIT SOMEBODY AND WHO AT THE END OF THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN SAYS, WELL, THE BLOC IS AVOIDING INDEPENDENCE AND SUDDENLY SAYING THAT IS THE FOUNDATION OF ALL OUR ACTIONS. WELL, PEOPLE WILL DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES ON THAT. MY COMMITMENT IS THAT I WILL TAKE THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY IN QUÉBEC TO THE PARTY THAT — IN THE LAST FEW DAYS I’VE SEEN MANY CASES WHERE Mr. BERUBE — Mr. LEGGOTT AND WE ALSO AGREED BECAUSE WE’RE BOTH NATIONALIST PARTIES. BUT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION NOW, THIS TIME, WHAT IS THE — WHAT IS THE BLOC DOING ABOUT SOVEREIGNTY?>>ALL BLOC CANDIDATES WANT QUÉBEC TO HAVE ALL THE ATTRIBUTES OF SOVEREIGNTY. THIS WILL HAPPEN THE WAY QUÉBEC WANTS IT. THE PERIOD OF STRONG SPEECHES IS OVER. BUT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE EVERYWHERE BECAUSE THE QUESTION KEEPS ARISING. THE SOVEREIGNIST MOVEMENT MUST GO THROUGH A PERIOD WHERE WE HAVE TO REDEFINE OURSELVES AND THAT’S OKAY. THAT INCLUDES QUÉBEC AND THE PARTI QUÉBECOIS AND PEOPLE WHO DON’T BELONG TO A POLITICAL PARTY BUT BELIEVE IT’S A GOOD IDEA. HOW WOULD THIS HAPPEN? HOW WOULD THIS PROGRESS? I DON’T KNOW. WHEN I KNOW — I DON’T KNOW EITHER. BUT I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO A THIRD OF QUÉBECERS.>>Question: FOR A FEW DAYS NOW, WE PUT Mr. TRUDEAU TELL QUÉBECERS THAT IF THEY CHOOSE TO ELECT BLOC MPs, THEY WOULD BE ELECTING A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT THAT WOULD BE — AND Mr. TRUDEAU SAID HE’S THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN STAND UP TO JASON KENNEY AND THE BIG OIL COMPANIES. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT Mr. TRUDEAU IS PLAYING A DANGEROUS GAME BY SETTING ONE PART OF CANADA AGAINST ANOTHER?>>MAYBE THAT IS Mr. TRUDEAU’S NEW STRATEGY, TO STAND UP AS THE PERSON WHO WILL PUT QUÉBEC IN ITS PLACE IN JEAN CRETIEN’S TRADITION. HOWEVER, MY APPROACH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE SAME AND IS SIMPLE, I WILL VOTE DEPENDING ON WHAT IS GOOD FOR QUÉBEC. I WILL VOTE AGAINST ANYTHING THAT IS BAD FOR QUÉBEC, UNDERSTANDING FULLY THAT WE WILL BE NEGOTIATING AND WILL BE GIVING SOMETHING FOR QUÉBEC. PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY, WELL QUÉBEC SHOULD ALWAYS BE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT, THERE WILL BE BLOC YEARS WHEN QUÉBEC MADE GAINS. LET’S LOOK AT THE LAST TIME THE CONSERVATIVES HAD THE MAJORITY OF SEATS IN QUÉBEC. THAT WAS IN ’88. IT’S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE HAVEN’T HAD CONSERVATIVES TO SAVE US, WHEREAS TODAY QUÉBEC IS DOING WELL. BEFORE 2015 WHEN THE LIBERALS HAD THE MAJORITY OF CANDIDATES IN QUÉBEC, THE LAST TIME WAS IN EARLY ’80s, WHEN THEY POURED THE CONSTITUTION DOWN OUR THROATS. SO QUÉBEC SEVERAL TIMES HAS HAD A LOT OF BLOC MPs AND IT DID NOT HURT US. QUITE THE CONTRARY. WE HAD PEOPLE EXPRESSING THERAPISTS IN OTTAWA SPEAKING FOR — THEIR OPPORTUNITIES.>>Question: TODAY YOU CHOOSE FOUR PEOPLE WHO MADE ISLAMIC COMMENTS. THAT IS ADVANTAGEOUS TO KEEP THOSE PEOPLE WITHIN YOUR RANKS? WHAT KIND OF MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND TO VOTERS?>>[ Voice of Translator ]: WELL, FOR ME TO THINK THAT WAY, TO FEEL THAT BY KEEPING CANDIDATES WHO SHARED SOME ISLAMIC STATEMENTS, THAT IT WOULD BRING ME VOTES WHERE I HAVE TO BE SO CYNICAL AND THAT HAS NEVER CROSSED MY MIND. I CAN AND I — I PRESUME THAT PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO LOOK THROUGH ALL THE ARTICLES I WROTE AND THE HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF TV TIME THAT I DID PROVIDE, AND IN THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF MESSAGES THAT I PUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THEY NEVER FOUND ANYTHING THAT SHOWED ME TO BE CYNICAL OR ISLAMAPHOBIC. MY ANSWER IS NO, THOSE PEOPLE WERE SEVERELY REPRIMANDED FOR STATEMENTS SHARED PREVIOUSLY. THEY APOLOGIZED JUST LIKE THE CANDIDATES OF THE OTHER PARTIES DID, AND I UNDERSTOOD DURING THE DEBATE THAT ALL LEADERS WERE ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH ON THIS ISSUE. [ end of translation ]>>Question: IF YOU LOOK AT MOST POLLS, THE LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES ARE TIED IN FIRST PLACE IN. THE CASE OF A CONSERVATIVE MINORITY, IF YOUR PARTY RIGHT NOW IS POLLING ANYWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 30%, IF YOU COULD INDICATE A MINORITY GOVERNMENT, WOULD YOU PROP THEM UP AND FORM A COALITION GOVERNMENT?>>NO. >>HOW COME?>>IF SOMETHING IS PROPOSED IN THE PARLIAMENT WHICH IS GOOD FOR QUÉBEC, WE WILL VOTE IN FAVOUR OF IT. IF SOMETHING IS PROPOSED WHICH IS NOT GOOD FOR QUÉBEC, WE WILL GO AGAINST IT. AND WE ARE NOT THERE TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY GOVERNMENT. WE ARE THERE ONLY TO CARRY THE VOICE AND ONLY THE VOICE OF QUÉBEC IN THAT PARLIAMENT.>>Question: WHAT ABOUT THE LIBERALS?>>SAME THING.>>Question: HANNAH THIBEDEAU WITH CBC NATIONAL NEWS. I’D LIKE TO ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING Mr. TRUDEAU SAID IN THE DEBATE TONIGHT. HE SAID THAT BY VOTING BLOC, IT IS LIKE BRINGING BACK HARPERITES. WHAT –>>WHEN YOU SPEAK TO Mr. HARPER, HE SAYS THAT VOTING FOR THE BLOC IS A VOTE FOR LIBERALS. AND IF YOU SPEAK TO LIBERALS, THEY WILL SAY THAT VOTING FOR THE BLOC IS VOTING FOR THE CONSERVATIVES. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? VOTING FOR THE BLOC IS VOTING FOR THE BLOC, IS VOTING FOR WHAT WE CARRY, WHAT WE SHARE, WHAT WE WANT, WHAT WE PROPOSE, AND FOR A LARGE PART OF OUR PROGRAM AND THE WAY WE CARRY WHAT WE ASK, VOTING FOR THE BLOC MIGHT BE VOTING FOR QUÉBEC.>>Question: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE FACT THAT Mr. TRUDEAU NOW HAS YOU IN HIS TARGETS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS?>>ACTUALLY, IT’S KIND OF A COMPLEMENT. I KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, FOR SOME REASONS THAT BELONG TO THEM ONLY, MOST LEADERS HAVE DECIDED TO BE SOMEWHAT MORE AGGRESSIVE AGAINST THE BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS. IT MIGHT MEAN THAT WE HAVE BECOME AGAIN A SIGNIFICANT PLAYER IN POLITICS, AND THAT WE HAVE GAINED RESPECT FROM AND FOR QUÉBEC. [ Speaking in French ]. >>[ Voice of Translator ]: HI Mr. BLANCHE. FIRSTLY YOU SAID YOU WOULD BE GETTING SOME MONEY BACK BY SELLING THE MOUNTAIN, WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT?>>WELL, IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INVESTS MONEY TO BUY TRUNK MOUNTAIN AND THEN INVEST MORE TO COMPLETE THE OPERATION, WELL, THOSE ARE PROJECTIONS, MADE BY THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT AND BY NOT DOING THAT, THAT MONEY COULD BE USED ELSEWHERE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME THAT COULD BE SPREAD OUT.>>Question: AND YOU SAID YOU’RE IN A HURRY TO GET BACK TO YOUR CAMPAIGN BERTH. DO YOU THINK YOU WERE SHAKEN UP THIS EVENING?>>NOT PARTICULARLY NO. I FELT THE DEBATE WAS — THERE WAS A FREE FLOW OF IDEAS DURING THE DEBATE, IT WAS RATHER ELEGANT AND THERE WERE NOT TOO MANY LOW BLOWS THAT I NOTICED. SO THAT WASN’T WHAT I MEANT. THERE WAS SOME PLEASURE IN PARTICIPATING IN THE DEBATE AND WELL, THERE IS PLEASURE IN MEETING YOUR MILITANTS AND PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW AND PEOPLE THAT YOU MAY NOT KNOW BUT WHOM YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO. AND ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, I CHANGED MANY ASPECTS OF MY PLATFORM BECAUSE IT CAME FROM THE PEOPLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [ end of translation ]>>Vassy: THAT WAS BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS LEADER YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET SPEAKING TO REPORTERS AT THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY FOLLOWING THE FRENCH LANGUAGE LEADER’S DEBATE THAT JUST TOOK PLACE. I’M HERE WITH DANIEL THIBODEAU. A COUPLE OF THINGS STUCK OUT FOR YOU. A COUPLE OF THINGS RIGHT AT THE END. >>THE QUESTION WAS, DID YOU FEEL YOU WERE PUSHED AROUND DURING THE EVENING? HE SAID, NO, NOT THAT MUCH. YOU KNOW WHAT? HE WASN’T PUSHED AROUND THAT MUCH. I BET YOU Mr. BLANCHE WAS EXPECTING TO BE ROUGHED UP MUCH MORE THAN WHAT YOU SAW TONIGHT. THERE WAS A COUPLE OF ATTACKS, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF LINES, BOTH FROM — ACTUALLY AT SOME POINT FROM ALL OF THEM — Mr. TRUDEAU WAS THE FIRST ONE TO GO ON THE OFFENSIVE EARLY ON, IN A VERY CALM MANNER BUT BASICALLY POINTING OUT AND THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT DURING THE SCRUM AS WELL. POINTING OUT THAT A VOTE FOR THE BLOC IS A VOTE FOR A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT. MINORITY OR MAJORITY. >>Vassy: BRINGING BACK THE HARPERITES. >>EXACTLY. SO BASICALLY I THINK THAT WAS SETTING THE TONE. AT THAT POINT I THOUGHT, OKAY, THEY’RE OPENING THE ATTACK LINE AND WE’LL SEE THAT COMING BACK. AND THEN NOTHING FOR A LONG, LONG TIME AND THEN LATER ON, I BELIEVE IT WAS Mr. SCHEER WENT ON THE OFFENSIVE AND THEN EVERYONE GANGED UP AND KIND OF ADDED THEIR SAY TO THAT. AND Mr. BLANCHE WALKS OUT OF THERE LOOKING LIKE HE WAS THE ADULT IN THE ROOM TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, VERY QUIET AND CALM, TOOK IT IN, ANSWERED CALMLY EVERY TIME SOMEONE BROUGHT SOMETHING NEGATIVE TOWARDS HIM, TOWARDS THE BLOC. MADE HIS POINTS AND HE SAID, NO, IT WAS A GOOD MOMENT, IT WAS A GOOD WAY TO TALK ABOUT IDEAS. AND IT WAS NOT — WE SAY [ Speaking in French ] IN FRENCH, IT WAS EASY TO LISTEN. >>Vassy: IT WAS NOT LIKE MONDAY –>>WHERE PEOPLE WERE TALKING OVER EACH OTHER.>>Vassy: HE WAS ASKED BY HANNAH ABOUT HIS OWN — LIKE, ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THE ATTACKS COMING YOUR WAY? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT BEING TARGETED. HE SAID IT’S ACTUALLY A COMPLEMENT. >>AND IT IS A COMPLEMENT BECAUSE IF PEOPLE START PAYING ATTENTION THE WAY THEY DO RIGHT NOW TO THE BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS AND THEY ARE, IT SHOWS THAT THEY’RE GAINING IN POPULARITY. FOR THE MAJORITY — FOR THE MAJOR PART OF THE CAMPAIGN EARLY ON, THERE WAS NO MENTION OF THE BLOC IN EITHER FROM THE LYMPHOBLASTS — LIBS OR THE CONSERVATIVES.>>Vassy: NOT AT ALL. >>IT’S PART OF THE CAMPAIGN STRATEGY AND I WAS TOLD BY PEOPLE IN THE WAR ROOM, THEY’RE NOT THAT STRONG, THEY’RE NOT MAKING THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE. BASICALLY WE CAN SURF AROUND, DO OUR CAMPAIGN AND WE CAN GO WITH OUR PLAN AND MAKE IT HAPPEN THAT WAY WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT THEM. I THINK THAT CHANGED NOW.>>Vassy: HERE IS CONSERVATIVE LEADER ANDREW SCHEER SPEAKING TO REPORTERS. LET’S LISTEN IN LIVE.>>[ Voice of Translator ]: SATISFIED WITH MY PERFORMANCE TONIGHT, I WONDER HOW MANY CONGREGATION MISTAKES I MADE, BUT I HOPE THAT FRANCOPHONE VIEWERS WILL EXCUSE ME FOR THE MISTAKES. SO I’M READY FOR YOUR QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. [ end of translation ]>>Question: Mr. SCHEER WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE FACT THAT CONSERVATIVES ARE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT A PARTY THAT DOESN’T INCLUDE YOU AT THE TOP?>>I REJECT THE PREMISE OF THAT QUESTION.>>Question: HOW DO YOU REJECT IT? IT’S ON THE RECORD?>>WHAT I KNOW IS THAT OUR ENTIRE TEAM IS EXCITED FOR THE ELECTION ON OCTOBER 21st. WE HAVE GREAT CANDIDATES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY WHO ARE WORKING HARD TO REPLACE JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND HIS RECORD OF MASSIVE DEFICITS, TAX HIKES AND SCANDALS WITH A CONSERVATIVE PARTY UNDER MY LEADERSHIP THAT WILL LOWER TAXES, MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE AND RUN AN ETHICAL AND TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT.>>Question: BUT CONSERVATIVES SEEM TO HAVE A FALL-BACK PLAN IF YOU DON’T WIN. >>I COMPLETELY REJECT THE PREMISE OF THAT. WE’RE GOING TO WIN ON OCTOBER 21st.>>Question: DAVID MENSES, REBEL NEWS. ONLY 6% OF CANADIANS INDICATE THEY WANT TO SEE IMMIGRATION INCREASED, YET YOU ARE ON BOARD WITH THE TRUDEAU LIBERALS PLAN TO INCREASE IMMIGRATION TO 350,000 MIGRANTS PER YEAR. WHY IS THAT?>>WHAT I’VE ALWAYS SAID IS OUR IMMIGRATION TARGETS SHOULD BE BASED ON THE REALITIES OF OUR ECONOMIC NEEDS AND OUR DEMOGRAPHIC NEEDS. WE HAVE A POPULATION THAT NEEDS IMMIGRATION TO CONTINUE TO GROW, WE HAVE AN ECONOMY THAT CO

100 thoughts on “French Federal Leaders’ Debate 2019 (English translation) Part 1

  1. Max and the ppc is the only choice. Look at the comments and see what people really think. Not what the CBC says people think. Ppc is making huge waves weather they report on it or not

  2. Let's make history. PPC 2019 remind the world we are not a 2 party system. Mad Max is the best thing to ever happen to canada

  3. With the exception of Bernier, the rest are just lip service pros. They have an yes answer for every question. Bernier is the only one saying we have a debt issue and can't afford these projects and soon to be forgotten about gifts from the rest. he's actually saying what people don;t want to hear, strange for a politician The real emergency here is not climate change its our debt. That is threatening us right now, today. With out money we cant clean up the environment

  4. And why is it perfectly reasonable to protect french culture but absolutely abhorrent to protect the rest of Canada culture

  5. Trudeau lied again when he said that Canada is "on track" to meeting Paris targets and that Canada has "led the way" in the world on climate change action.

  6. Watch the major party leaders take questions after the final debate of the election campaign. https://youtu.be/b1UboBW_CP8 ^am

  7. This debate was a lot better that the english, the format was excellent. It was dynamic and clear. And the Moderator was very good. He didn't cut everyone and one moderator was clearly enough.

  8. I was leaning towards Andrew Scheer but Maxim's plans makes more sense. He sounds like a guy living in the Canadian part of planet earth. Also… the other party leaders sound like they live in a fairytail world. Their plans can't stand against reality. I will be voting with my conscience for Maxim.

  9. Is it just me or is Elizabeth May complete loon. She keep saying there’s a climate emergency. But we aren’t the problem. We can stop 100% of CO2 and it wouldn’t matter in the least. Without China and India and United States and Russia what we do is irrelevant. I agree 100% of scientists agree in climate change. But the climate alarmists scientists I’ve been fudging and cherry pick data to push their agenda. NWO. Or as i like to call it Communism. Where the government tells you if you’re hot or cold. Whether you go out today or stay at home. How many children you can have Or what you can eat. How much money you can have. Where you live. What you do for a living. Basically every aspect of your life will be controlled. That’s why there’s lots of scientists they’re starting to speak up. And say that CO2 is not affecting the climate as predicted. But the government they create the problem. They propose a solution. And execute their plans. Which will be. NWO. We are going to spend billions on this. It’s gonna affect lots of peoples lives. We need to be 100% correct no biased in the Science. No fudging of numbers clear and precise. Meanwhile we can look into moving away from fossil fuels. But we’re nowhere close to that as of yet. And anyone who says we are they are lying.

  10. Looking for extremists on either side of the spectrum? Canadian and American debates couldn’t be a better place to find them

  11. Le bloc est anti richess national! Vous etes tous anti Canada sauf Maxime Bernier! Avec Mad max nous allons ramener la richess au Canada! P.P.C.2019! C"est le temp pour du vrais changement! I am sure that most quebecers support the pipeline! Enough with Arabian oil!

  12. P.P.C. pour sauver le Canada de les mains du U.N. global migrant compact invasion et le faux paris accord! Il va amener du changement positif et cèst le temp!

  13. Polls are not to asses the public opinion, they are falsely reported results designed to PROPAGANDIZE the population. USA 2016 polls assured us Trump could not win.

  14. Got to give credit to this translator. He is so good that he conveys the essence of the Prime Moron of Canada's spoiled low iq whining.

  15. Here's an important message for all Quebecers who support the Bloc and his opinion of Alberta's "dirty oil" from a Quebec politician.
    https://youtu.be/N9RrS8l6flo

  16. I'm not a conservative, but if I was I would vote PPC, because even though Maxime Bernier doesn't believe in Climate Change, he truly believes in moving away from fossil fuels AND he's very practical in his views. I don't believe he would slash as much in services as Scheer would.

    My two choices are Blanchet first and then Bernier. They hold my interest.

  17. GO PPC! I have never voted before but Maxime is the only one whom I feel is telling the truth without caring about pleasing anybody. He has principles and a strong personality to say NO to what's not right.

  18. Can we have a debate where every question isn't answered by attacking others? "Mr. Trudeau's plans have failed…", Okay, cool, so tell me what your plan actually is. I don't care his aren't working, if they were we wouldn't be discussing it. Tell me how you and your party intend to fix the problem.

  19. The Green Party IS the only platform that has a climate plan in line with the advice of the IPCC scientists. I went to every single other party's website and examined their platforms to make sure. Please do the same. <3

    GPC: https://www.greenparty.ca/en/platform (two PDFs, one is the Platform and one is the Costing)
    CPC: https://www.arealplan.ca/ (one PDF with their entire plan, scroll down to the bottom to find it)
    NDP: https://www.ndp.ca/commitments#pillar3 (at the bottom, "Dowload our full list of commitments")
    LPC: https://2019.liberal.ca/our-platform/ (scroll down to download a PDF of it in large/small font)
    PPC: https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/platform (they don't seem to have a PDF but the articles on this page about "climate change alarmism" and "giving power to our fossil fuel industries" pretty much say it all)
    BLOC: doesn't have their platform available in English, but you can find the French version by hitting the button in the top right corner of their website: https://www.blocquebecois.org/

    <3 Teaganbear

  20. "The problem is that it's not enough to talk about a price on carbon. We also have to have targets that are in line with the scientific advice. Right now it's not 30% of 2005 levels by 2030, that's Trudeau's target which is the same as Harper's target, it's not enough. We have to have a plan to eliminate fossil fuels by 2050, and by 2030 we have to have a target of 60% reductions of greenhouse gases. And it is truly possible. Our plan is called Mission Possible because it is possible. It's not easy, but it is possible, but not just with a carbon tax."
    ~ Elizabeth May

    Exactly.

  21. Forget strategic voting. Vote your conscience! Whatever party that may be. Also, it's nice to see the debaters' total speaking time shown. The Democratic Presidential Candidate Debates should do this.

  22. Why are abortions considered "women's rights"? Does the baby have no rights? I can agree with "my body my choice," except I would instead apply that to the baby as well!

  23. Read this if you want to really understand why Max disbelieves a Climate Emergency exists that requires a carbon tax.

    He believes that climate is changing and always has, it is just that Co2 account for less than 5 percent of gasses in the atmosphere that are 'green house'

    And only 2% OF THAT 5% are Co2

    And Canada is only emitting 2% OF THAT 2% OF THAT 5%

    S
    o, he logically understands that if we cut our carbon in half at the expense of driving our manufacturing to China and destroying our economy and putting a much much higher carbon tax it will meant that we will only be reducing the global Co2 by:

    1% of 2% of 5%

    Instead he will put that money into balancing the budget, paying down the debt and growing a financially responsible = more profitable economy. Then to invest it pollution remedies such as toxic waterway rehabilitation etc.

  24. The arrogant self righteousness of Trudeau and Scheer is disheartening and belies what is to come if either of them become PM. Max Bernier is a class act and has my vote.

  25. I like how the translator makes all the leader's voice have the same volume as the translator while for Trudeau, his voice was slightly higher while the translator was lower so we can all hear his annoying voice. Wonderful.

  26. Act now. Or have to much damage control to be needed to have a hope of winning. I would even help you win for my stake up front.

  27. Try setting foot in any government building, you get escorted out by security….at the legislative buildings they get fine dining for free….when will Canadians stop this dictatorship…read below

  28. I enjoyed this debate a great deal more than the previous one, and not just because my man Bernier performed much better in this one. These debates helped me solidify how I view these leaders.

    Bernier: tells it like it is, Canada> toxic identity politics
    Scheer: I'm not Trudeau and it's actually a popular stance to stand on.
    Trudeau: to put it nicely, I've made mistakes or things haven't gone my way but it's not so bad.
    May: your friend's super cool mom but will need help setting up a computer.
    Singh: wants to help everyone he meets but I can't help but seeing him as the Bernie Sanders of Canada.
    Blanchet: I actually didn't know a lot of this French dude before the debates but I like how he presented himself, kudos.

    Once again tho, great job Max this time around. I found he was more composed, had more solid points and acted like the candidate that earned my vote at the start of the election race 👍

  29. When I listened to the debate, I swear that the French translator picked for Trudeau sounded just like Trudeau, and the translator picked for Scheer sounded like a stonch English! Just what the French like to hear. CBC will you please stop your conniving propoganda. Be fair and square! But I have to admit, Liberal money talks.

  30. Why doesn't anyone talk about our national debt? 670 billion $, accumulating over 80 million $ a day in interest alone.

    Who are we in debt to and why?

  31. Nice to see Comments: Liberals must be getting killed in the comments, so CBC turns them off. Trudeau is owned by Gearld Butts, and Anti oil special Interest groups. He needs to be voted out. He is just a puppet. The country is falling apart because he cares about nothing except the money he is paid under the table. Alberta and Sask are going to leave, because the groups he works for want Canadian oil suppressed, so other oil producing countries get a better price. Fellow Canadian…we are under attack from outside this country. Please research U.N. Agenda 21 or agenda 2030. It's too scary to believe the plan they have for us, but I think is all true …..unfortunately. God Bless.

  32. Bright orange Turbans always remind me of the Sikh terrorists that bombed flight 182. The largest mass killing in Canadian history. It’s a symbol of terrorism.

  33. Jagmeet Singh is advocating Secularism in Canada and on the other hand support Separatist movements in India, how will he be seen in eyes of the Indian government who wants to have a trade deals with Canada.

  34. NO ELECTION UNTIL THIS GOVERNMENT wakes up and changes the laws in protection of the people down with Totalitarian Tiptoe of the Cabal stop making Canada a Haven for criminals and now that Soros is in prison poor Trudy has no handler……wake up it too late not too!!!

  35. Ya the guy that paid you liers to cover him up when are you people going to wake up when it's too late? Well, it is too late looke how they have destroyed the Earth for political power like the California fires today created by the Dems to attack us because Trump declared a state of emergency and the arrest are rolling out get on the right side of the page and help do not perpetuate lies to protect them WAKE UP!

  36. We want Leaders! To work together not go head to head this is negative absurd waist of time energy. All the money that paid for this could feed starving people. Venezuela needs some .

  37. It is Sad to See the UNIFOR UNION, Joining theb Liberal Party in attacking the Government? UNIFOR and it's union members should be reminded, that IT WAS NOT THE GOVERNMENT THAT WITHDREW MANUFACTURING FROM DURHAM, IT WAS ""GM"" and has the union members had an opportunity to vote on using their union dues money to attack the government??? it is only a distraction ploy, to waste your union dues, in such a reckless fashion!, I would vote for a new replacement union! one that is willing to work for the union dues paying workers, instead of working on behalf of the liberal government!!!

  38. What each Canadian “federal” party actually is

    1 Green Party of Canada – UN Party
    2 New Democratic Party – Democratic Marxist
    3 Liberal Party of Canada – Sierra Club Party
    4 Conservative Party of Canada – Liberal Party of Canada
    5 Bloc Québécois – Quebec Sovereignty
    6 People's Party of Canada – People’s Party of Canada

    The first five parties are actually very similar with the larger goal of the destruction of western society to be
    replaced by a global un-elected totalitarian government. They will do this actively (the first 3) or by not
    giving a damn (4 and 5) CANADIANS WAKE UP! VOTE PEOPLE’S PARTY OF CANADA 2019! 🇨🇦

  39. The translator for Elizabeth May was horrible and extremely slow. Should have changed her or timed her before appointing her as a translator during such an important event. Very shameful

  40. Why was this video cut short during Scheer's answer to David Menzies' question on immigration? Were there no questions to Bernier?

  41. Not how anyone could vote for Trudeau. If Scheer or Max wins I would be happy. Scheer has really impressed me over the last few months.

  42. Heard a little rumor that there are only pencils provided at the election stations and they're being mysteriously "smudged"….just a heads up to maybe bring along a pen or sharpie 😊

  43. how can May say she is pro-immigration and say she is fighting for the environment. Simple logic shows that if people move from countries with many times smaller carbon footprints to Canada which the population has some of the highest per capita carbon footprints. If she is truly trying to protect the environment, then all immigration to Canada must be stopped.

  44. Elizabeth May is insane. $200 tax per tonne? Almost 50 cents tax on every liter of gas? Well good thing the Green Party will never have a significant say in Parliament.

  45. Any politician that invokes the ideals of "social justice" should be disqualified. That's the ideaology that divides people, justice is something to be decided in an individual bases, not on group scale.

  46. The worst part about this is that I'm still undecided. I don't like any of the party platforms at all. It's frustrating wanting to vote but not having faith in any of these "leaders".

  47. I AM NOT VOTING FOR ANY OF THESE CANDIDATES. iM VOTING FOR RICK ASTLEY BECAUSE HE WILL:
    Never gonna give you up
    Never gonna let you down
    Never gonna run around and desert you
    Never gonna make you cry
    Never gonna say goodbye
    Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

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